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** In the [[Dragon Age Origins|previous game,]] you recuse Queen Anora from Arl Howe's estate. On your way out, you're confronted with Ser Cauthrien and a number of guards who charge you with breaking and entering and murder of the Arl. You'd think having the captive Queen on hand would get you to get out of the situation without bloodshed, but drop her name and reveal her and she instead pins her kidnapping on you and your companions.
** In the [[Dragon Age Origins|previous game,]] you recuse Queen Anora from Arl Howe's estate. On your way out, you're confronted with Ser Cauthrien and a number of guards who charge you with breaking and entering and murder of the Arl. You'd think having the captive Queen on hand would get you to get out of the situation without bloodshed, but drop her name and reveal her and she instead pins her kidnapping on you and your companions.
*** No, that was ''necessary''. She even explains why the ruse after you return.
*** No, that was ''necessary''. She even explains why the ruse after you return.
**** Her explanation is not convincing - the person leading those troops is Loghain's lieutenant, who entirely knows what Anora looks like. Anora logically has nothing to lose by revealing herself or you revealing her, because Ser Cauthrien should be able to pick her out of the crowd anyway. Furthermore, since Anora should know that Cauthrien's loyalty to Loghain is absolute (it's common knowledge in court circles), the only way Cauthrien would be willing to let Anora go anyway is if Loghain was ''not'' agreeing with Arl Eamon's plan to hold the Queen hostage -- meaning that her backing your play should have gotten you out scott-free too.
**** Her explanation is not convincing. The person leading those troops is Loghain's lieutenant, who entirely knows what Anora looks like. Ser Cauthrien is not only a regular attendant at the royal court but has also been Loghain's loyal aide pretty much her whole life ''and Anora is Loghain's daughter''. So Anora logically has nothing to lose by revealing herself or you revealing her, because Ser Cauthrien should be able to pick her out of the crowd anyway. Furthermore, since Anora should know that Cauthrien's loyalty to Loghain is absolute (they grew up together), the only way Cauthrien would be willing to let Anora go anyway is if Loghain was ''not'' agreeing with Arl Eamon's plan to hold the Queen hostage -- meaning that her backing your play should have gotten you out scott-free too.
* The Council of ''[[Mass Effect]]'' certainly acts like this toward Shepard. Virtually any major decision in the first game will be second-guessed by them, even actions carried out by a force you had no authority over.
* The Council of ''[[Mass Effect]]'' certainly acts like this toward Shepard. Virtually any major decision in the first game will be second-guessed by them, even actions carried out by a force you had no authority over.
** Carries over to the second game. The original Council, which owes you their lives, refuses to believe the Reapers exist and only grudgingly gives you your SPECTRE status back. If it's the human council, who owe their position to you, they won't even speak with you and only Anderson can get you reinstated.
** Carries over to the second game. The original Council, which owes you their lives, refuses to believe the Reapers exist and only grudgingly gives you your SPECTRE status back. If it's the human council, who owe their position to you, they won't even speak with you and only Anderson can get you reinstated.
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