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*** It's only said in passing, but the [[DVD Commentary]] blatantly says he's Asian.

** Tiger Woods is part Asian yet my mother refuses to acknowledge that (and my family is asian). * shrugs* People will associate what they are with what they've seen - spend your life growing up around black British and you may very well be weirded out by white British.

** Sounds like [[Community|Not Being Racist Is The New Racism]]<ref> I'm sad that ~~[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=iphk4daulxtra23i3x9h26jl~~ that] didn't make it past the YKTTW, we need it... ~~[[YKTTW Plug|~~for examples in fiction]], [[Predefined Messages|mostly]]</ref>. If you notice that he "looks Asian", you're noticing physiological stereotypes. If you don't, and don't think it matters (I thought the woman at the end looked like [[Darkskinned Blonde|Mi]][[Mukokuseki|ra]][[Ambiguously Brown|ge]] from ''[[The Incredibles]]'' with black hair and no tan), you're racially insensitive (which I find personally insulting, since I didn't notice he was supposed to look even vaguely Asian, or anything more specific than a [[Animation Anatomy Aging|probably]]-pudgy kid, until well after everyone else was arguing online about it. For that matter, I didn't even remember that Muntz was a German name until they started playing up the pre-war propaganda style in the documentary, though it probably helps that he has a rather thick North American English accent). If you associate Russell's [[Word of God|unique]] stylization, naivete, and whatever-shaped eyes with Down's Syndrome, you think all Asians (not even bothering with specific ethnicities) are somehow related to Down's Syndrome sufferers (see also the above comment on people associating other people and things with what they're used to seeing, especially since Pixar went for their stylized look which makes everyone [[Ambiguously Human]]). Since [[Word of God]] says Russell's Asian, I'll go with that, but it would be nice if people would stop picking on everyone with [[Mukokuseki|stateless]]-tinted vision.

** Sounds like [[Community|Not Being Racist Is The New Racism]]<ref> I'm sad that that didn't make it past the YKTTW, we need it... for examples in fiction, [[Predefined Messages|mostly]]</ref>. If you notice that he "looks Asian", you're noticing physiological stereotypes. If you don't, and don't think it matters (I thought the woman at the end looked like [[Darkskinned Blonde|Mi]][[Mukokuseki|ra]][[Ambiguously Brown|ge]] from ''[[The Incredibles]]'' with black hair and no tan), you're racially insensitive (which I find personally insulting, since I didn't notice he was supposed to look even vaguely Asian, or anything more specific than a [[Animation Anatomy Aging|probably]]-pudgy kid, until well after everyone else was arguing online about it. For that matter, I didn't even remember that Muntz was a German name until they started playing up the pre-war propaganda style in the documentary, though it probably helps that he has a rather thick North American English accent). If you associate Russell's [[Word of God|unique]] stylization, naivete, and whatever-shaped eyes with Down's Syndrome, you think all Asians (not even bothering with specific ethnicities) are somehow related to Down's Syndrome sufferers (see also the above comment on people associating other people and things with what they're used to seeing, especially since Pixar went for their stylized look which makes everyone [[Ambiguously Human]]). Since [[Word of God]] says Russell's Asian, I'll go with that, but it would be nice if people would stop picking on everyone with [[Mukokuseki|stateless]]-tinted vision.

*** Down's Syndrome used to be called "mongolism" (at least in Britain) until people of Mongolian descent pointed out how racist this was.

** This asian troper not only thought he was asian, but ''specifically'' Korean. The fact that so many people don't see Russell as asian makes me think that they expect asian people to look more like stereotypes presented in media. Russell's race has nothing to do with the plot or his character, but to many racial minorities, excepting racial differences is much less harmful than not seeing them at all, because then it just sounds like you expect everyone is white.