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* ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force|Ben 10 Alien Force]]'' has its own when one sees that all of a sudden the characters are fighting their grandma, with lethal power being used on both sides. Only Kevin, who is not related to her, is worried. It's all forgiven as if it were nothing even though they fought with enough power to kill her and ''vice versa.'' Yeah, they were trying to stop her from forcing her way on her granddaughter, but there was no need for either side to use force if they have a good relationship.
* ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force|Ben 10 Alien Force]]'' has its own when one sees that all of a sudden the characters are fighting their grandma, with lethal power being used on both sides. Only Kevin, who is not related to her, is worried. It's all forgiven as if it were nothing even though they fought with enough power to kill her and ''vice versa.'' Yeah, they were trying to stop her from forcing her way on her granddaughter, but there was no need for either side to use force if they have a good relationship.
** They [[Retcon|decided]] in that episode that Gwen [[Doing in the Wizard|was part alien and didn't have magic powers.]] Okay, but later in the series, she's using magic books, with some half-assed excuse for it about Anodites and "mana". Just make up your minds, guys!
** They [[Retcon|decided]] in that episode that Gwen [[Doing In the Wizard|was part alien and didn't have magic powers.]] Okay, but later in the series, she's using magic books, with some half-assed excuse for it about Anodites and "mana". Just make up your minds, guys!
** Worse, Gwen is 1/4 Anodite. '''1/4'''. Yet somehow, she is able to transform into a full Anodite and use all the full powers of an Anodite as well! ''How the hell do those kind of genetics WORK?''
** Worse, Gwen is 1/4 Anodite. '''1/4'''. Yet somehow, she is able to transform into a full Anodite and use all the full powers of an Anodite as well! ''How the hell do those kind of genetics WORK?''
** Gwen's grandmother was [[Easily Forgiven]]. After she has already defeated Ben and Kevin and could have left, she attempts to kill them. Then Gwen appears and she realizes Gwen's her granddaughter and has alien powers. But she is more interested in Gwen's alien powers than in any familial relationship—Ben is her grandson, but she hardly cares. She attempts to ''destroy Gwen's body'' and kidnap her spirit - "the energy being within" - showing no regard for the wellbeing of her grandson. Gwen manages to talk her down, and she leaves on good terms. Nobody calls her out over trying to ''kidnap one grandchild and murder another''. The kids were defending Gwen; the grandmother just wanted a new person on her planet.
** Gwen's grandmother was [[Easily Forgiven]]. After she has already defeated Ben and Kevin and could have left, she attempts to kill them. Then Gwen appears and she realizes Gwen's her granddaughter and has alien powers. But she is more interested in Gwen's alien powers than in any familial relationship—Ben is her grandson, but she hardly cares. She attempts to ''destroy Gwen's body'' and kidnap her spirit - "the energy being within" - showing no regard for the wellbeing of her grandson. Gwen manages to talk her down, and she leaves on good terms. Nobody calls her out over trying to ''kidnap one grandchild and murder another''. The kids were defending Gwen; the grandmother just wanted a new person on her planet.
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== ''The Fairly Oddparents'' ==
== ''The Fairly Oddparents'' ==
* In the [[Reality Television]] parody episode of ''[[The Fairly Odd Parents]],'' Timmy is allowed to say that he just considers Cosmo and Wanda tools to grant his wishes as a one-line throwaway gag, with no comeuppance... when in the entire rest of the series, his considering them his friends is considered important. Entire episodes, and even an entire ''movie,'' have revolved around the consequences of his forgetting this and treating them as tools.
* In the [[Reality Television]] parody episode of ''[[The Fairly OddParents]],'' Timmy is allowed to say that he just considers Cosmo and Wanda tools to grant his wishes as a one-line throwaway gag, with no comeuppance... when in the entire rest of the series, his considering them his friends is considered important. Entire episodes, and even an entire ''movie,'' have revolved around the consequences of his forgetting this and treating them as tools.
* {{spoiler|The [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]]}} at the end of the Wishology, which hits the [[Reset Button]] on a good deal of [[Character Development]] for the secondary characters.
* {{spoiler|The [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]]}} at the end of the Wishology, which hits the [[Reset Button]] on a good deal of [[Character Development]] for the secondary characters.
** Also in the Wishology, whenever Timmy drives a motorcycle, he falls off and the motorcycle zooms ahead; but he's able to ride the Time Scooter and his cheap bike just fine in earlier episodes. In part two, [[Idiot Plot|almost everyone who is smart enough to make rockets is also dumb enough to send them up without being inside]].
** Also in the Wishology, whenever Timmy drives a motorcycle, he falls off and the motorcycle zooms ahead; but he's able to ride the Time Scooter and his cheap bike just fine in earlier episodes. In part two, [[Idiot Plot|almost everyone who is smart enough to make rockets is also dumb enough to send them up without being inside]].
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** Note well: in the very same episode, when Quagmire's sister is getting beaten by her boyfriend, Quagmire runs outside to yell at Brian over his sister getting beaten. He's blaming Brian for something that isn't his fault without motivation, and chewing Brian out is more important to him than trying to rescue his own sister.
** Note well: in the very same episode, when Quagmire's sister is getting beaten by her boyfriend, Quagmire runs outside to yell at Brian over his sister getting beaten. He's blaming Brian for something that isn't his fault without motivation, and chewing Brian out is more important to him than trying to rescue his own sister.
*** Wasn't the point Quagmire was making not that that Brian does all of those things, but that he acts intellectually and morally superior to everyone all the time in spite of them? That's one thing Quagmire himself ''doesn't'' do. The fact that he himself acknowledges his flaws and asks him "what gives you the right to judge anyone?" does seem to support this.
*** Wasn't the point Quagmire was making not that that Brian does all of those things, but that he acts intellectually and morally superior to everyone all the time in spite of them? That's one thing Quagmire himself ''doesn't'' do. The fact that he himself acknowledges his flaws and asks him "what gives you the right to judge anyone?" does seem to support this.
**** And he's not "a big alcoholic bore" either. Then again one could argue that having Quagmire lampshade the show's flaws has involved ironically diluting his personality and making him an [[Author Avatar]] too (his voice pitch even seems to convert more into Brian's throughout the speech amusingly enough). Also note the speech is about the one element in his resentment that isn't caused by [[Kafka Komedy]] (e.g. "Quagmire's Dad"). It's not really a justified [[Take That Scrappy]] if you're punishing a character for actions that aren't connected to their flaws or even their fault.
**** And he's not "a big alcoholic bore" either. Then again one could argue that having Quagmire lampshade the show's flaws has involved ironically diluting his personality and making him an [[Author Avatar]] too (his voice pitch even seems to convert more into Brian's throughout the speech amusingly enough). Also note the speech is about the one element in his resentment that isn't caused by [[Kafka Komedy]] (e.g. "Quagmire's Dad"). It's not really a justified [[Take That, Scrappy!]] if you're punishing a character for actions that aren't connected to their flaws or even their fault.
* The episode "Jungle Love". This episode extends Lois's abusive behavior to Chris. She spends a good minute trying to convince Chris to tolerate school and realize it's not all bad, and then baits him to Freshmen-targeting high schoolers the minute he sets foot on school grounds. Granted, Lois's character these days is inconsistent and dependent on [[Comedic Sociopathy]], but it's hard to take the Aesop the episode is handing us seriously after that. (Though, since this is ''[[Family Guy]]'', that may be the point).
* The episode "Jungle Love". This episode extends Lois's abusive behavior to Chris. She spends a good minute trying to convince Chris to tolerate school and realize it's not all bad, and then baits him to Freshmen-targeting high schoolers the minute he sets foot on school grounds. Granted, Lois's character these days is inconsistent and dependent on [[Comedic Sociopathy]], but it's hard to take the Aesop the episode is handing us seriously after that. (Though, since this is ''[[Family Guy]]'', that may be the point).
* The entire episode "Padre de Familia" (which was one of the episodes [[Seth MacFarlane]] didn't do because of the 2007-2008 Writer Guild of America strike). Peter is fired from his job because he is an illegal immigrant, even though 1) his mother is American and 2) he's married to a citizen of America.
* The entire episode "Padre de Familia" (which was one of the episodes [[Seth MacFarlane]] didn't do because of the 2007-2008 Writer Guild of America strike). Peter is fired from his job because he is an illegal immigrant, even though 1) his mother is American and 2) he's married to a citizen of America.
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* Four Wave Intersection. One of the biggest Wall bangers in the series. Summary: Huge heat wave in Arlen, Bobby sees a commercial for a water park and gets a season pass. He wants to ride the Endless Wave but the guy in charge won't let him because he's not a "local". Then when they decide to go to a higher up he practically tells the guy "Do whatever you want to him." First off, not letting someone go on because of where they're from is discrimination, and from how the higher up acted, its not the first time someone's complained about this idiot. SO WHY IS HE STILL EMPLOYED THERE?!?!?! And with them throwing Bobby down the waterslide like that, he could've broken his neck. Know what would've happened then? Lawsuits, lawsuits and more lawsuits. So instead of firing someone who is not doing their job and performing illegal discrimination, they just let him stay there and hope no one gets hurt. The only thing that prevents this from becoming a DMOS is that the B plot is one of Bills better moments in the series.
* Four Wave Intersection. One of the biggest Wall bangers in the series. Summary: Huge heat wave in Arlen, Bobby sees a commercial for a water park and gets a season pass. He wants to ride the Endless Wave but the guy in charge won't let him because he's not a "local". Then when they decide to go to a higher up he practically tells the guy "Do whatever you want to him." First off, not letting someone go on because of where they're from is discrimination, and from how the higher up acted, its not the first time someone's complained about this idiot. SO WHY IS HE STILL EMPLOYED THERE?!?!?! And with them throwing Bobby down the waterslide like that, he could've broken his neck. Know what would've happened then? Lawsuits, lawsuits and more lawsuits. So instead of firing someone who is not doing their job and performing illegal discrimination, they just let him stay there and hope no one gets hurt. The only thing that prevents this from becoming a DMOS is that the B plot is one of Bills better moments in the series.
* One episode deals with Bobby getting into Tarot cards. Hank, of course, is horrified. Bobby makes friends with a guy at a store who is into Tarot cards. Do we get an aesop about how people who try strange things can be normal? Nope, the guy turns out to be a loser who lives in his mom's basement, dresses up in wizard robes, tries to cast magic spells, and is friends with a bunch of other guys who seem to be just as pathetic as him. By the end of the episode, Bobby realizes how uncool they are and insults them with Hank. It doesn't help that when he left the group, they all tried to destroy him just by saying a spell that included the words "Destroyitcus Bobbyus". Yep, Hank is proven right again because as we all know, ''Hank is always right''.
* One episode deals with Bobby getting into Tarot cards. Hank, of course, is horrified. Bobby makes friends with a guy at a store who is into Tarot cards. Do we get an aesop about how people who try strange things can be normal? Nope, the guy turns out to be a loser who lives in his mom's basement, dresses up in wizard robes, tries to cast magic spells, and is friends with a bunch of other guys who seem to be just as pathetic as him. By the end of the episode, Bobby realizes how uncool they are and insults them with Hank. It doesn't help that when he left the group, they all tried to destroy him just by saying a spell that included the words "Destroyitcus Bobbyus". Yep, Hank is proven right again because as we all know, ''Hank is always right''.
** Another walbanger is that the LARP group actually believe in what they're doing going so far as to try and make Bobby drink dog's blood as a ritual. This goes beyond unbelievable and falls into [[Chick Tract]] and [[Mazes and Monsters]] levels of stupidity. Do the writers of KOTH even know what LARP groups or [[Dungeons and Dragons]] players are really like? Because, they certainly are '''not''' like the people portrayed in this episode.
** Another walbanger is that the LARP group actually believe in what they're doing going so far as to try and make Bobby drink dog's blood as a ritual. This goes beyond unbelievable and falls into [[Chick Tract]] and [[Mazes and Monsters]] levels of stupidity. Do the writers of KOTH even know what LARP groups or [[Dungeons & Dragons]] players are really like? Because, they certainly are '''not''' like the people portrayed in this episode.
* ''Serpunt''. Let me sum it up as briefly as possible. Bobby gets a pet python from Lucky (Which, by the way, would've cost Lucky a pretty penny since pythons in general cost about $100). Bobby's python escapes. Two corrupt exterminators cause a city-wide panic about the snake in Texas (You know, where snakes including '''HIGHLY VENOMOUS''' rattlers are commonplace). Dale finds the snake, again Bobby's '''pet''', and brutally kills it rather than humanely capture it and return to its owner. The snake wasn't even being a threat to anyone. It never attacked anyone in the episode. Notice a problem?
* ''Serpunt''. Let me sum it up as briefly as possible. Bobby gets a pet python from Lucky (Which, by the way, would've cost Lucky a pretty penny since pythons in general cost about $100). Bobby's python escapes. Two corrupt exterminators cause a city-wide panic about the snake in Texas (You know, where snakes including '''HIGHLY VENOMOUS''' rattlers are commonplace). Dale finds the snake, again Bobby's '''pet''', and brutally kills it rather than humanely capture it and return to its owner. The snake wasn't even being a threat to anyone. It never attacked anyone in the episode. Notice a problem?


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*** [[Fridge Brilliance|Maybe the game generates a set of villains randomly each playthrough?]]
*** [[Fridge Brilliance|Maybe the game generates a set of villains randomly each playthrough?]]
** The gang was on their way there just to play the new game. The virus appearing the night before was a coincidence. And the gang was zapped into the game by the guy who made the virus.
** The gang was on their way there just to play the new game. The virus appearing the night before was a coincidence. And the gang was zapped into the game by the guy who made the virus.
* Following on the above, ''[[Scooby Doo on Zombie Island]]'': They go to New Orleans, and follow a complete stranger to a deserted island after telling her they're looking for REAL ghosts. They don't tell anyone else where they went. There they find that the creepy landowner and the stranger are really immortals from the colonial era. They became immortal after praying to their cat-god for power and vengeance against ''pirates'' who killed their innocent puritan cat-worshipping families. The pirates' zombies haunt the island trying to warn everyone about the evil anthropomorphic cat ladies who will suck out your souls and do voodoo. Also, a formerly undercover FBI agent says he'll tell his superiors about the crazy cat ladies but he doesn't think he'll be believed. Yeah, bye FBI, hello mental institution. Also, why hasn't anyone noticed that the inhabitants of the house and the crazy boatman haven't aged for something like 200 years? What was the point of the catfish and the catfish hunter? And if the Morgan Moonscar guy could write neat messages, why didn't he write something like "TENANTS WILL EAT YOU" or "SIMONE IS ANTHRO CAT"? Why do the pirate zombies care? They preyed off of innocents before, why should they care if more innocents are consumed? You know what, this movie has so much fail that it can't be put down.
* Following on the above, ''[[Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island]]'': They go to New Orleans, and follow a complete stranger to a deserted island after telling her they're looking for REAL ghosts. They don't tell anyone else where they went. There they find that the creepy landowner and the stranger are really immortals from the colonial era. They became immortal after praying to their cat-god for power and vengeance against ''pirates'' who killed their innocent puritan cat-worshipping families. The pirates' zombies haunt the island trying to warn everyone about the evil anthropomorphic cat ladies who will suck out your souls and do voodoo. Also, a formerly undercover FBI agent says he'll tell his superiors about the crazy cat ladies but he doesn't think he'll be believed. Yeah, bye FBI, hello mental institution. Also, why hasn't anyone noticed that the inhabitants of the house and the crazy boatman haven't aged for something like 200 years? What was the point of the catfish and the catfish hunter? And if the Morgan Moonscar guy could write neat messages, why didn't he write something like "TENANTS WILL EAT YOU" or "SIMONE IS ANTHRO CAT"? Why do the pirate zombies care? They preyed off of innocents before, why should they care if more innocents are consumed? You know what, this movie has so much fail that it can't be put down.
** To be fair, the reason why the pirates care is probably less about them being against more innocents, but the fact that '''they''' were consumed. It's probably more of a case of revenge on the part of the pirates than any real altruistic feelings toward any other victims.
** To be fair, the reason why the pirates care is probably less about them being against more innocents, but the fact that '''they''' were consumed. It's probably more of a case of revenge on the part of the pirates than any real altruistic feelings toward any other victims.
** Besides, 200 years [[Fate Worse Than Death|hanging on an island as zombies]] doesn't leave the pirates with much else to do besides reflecting on their own lives. Remember what [[Vandal Savage]] went through in "Hereafter" on ''[[Justice League (animation)|Justice League]]''? [[Cassandra Truth|And Moonscar might've thought that if he wrote messages telling the truth too bluntly, he wouldn't be believed]].
** Besides, 200 years [[Fate Worse Than Death|hanging on an island as zombies]] doesn't leave the pirates with much else to do besides reflecting on their own lives. Remember what [[Vandal Savage]] went through in "Hereafter" on ''[[Justice League (animation)|Justice League]]''? [[Cassandra Truth|And Moonscar might've thought that if he wrote messages telling the truth too bluntly, he wouldn't be believed]].
** [[Did Not Do the Research|You're asking about the point of the random, suspicious, scary guy who hunts catfish?]] It's been a staple of pretty much ''every'' mystery story that there's someone who acts shady as a [[Red Herring]].
** [[Did Not Do the Research|You're asking about the point of the random, suspicious, scary guy who hunts catfish?]] It's been a staple of pretty much ''every'' mystery story that there's someone who acts shady as a [[Red Herring]].
* [[What's New Scooby Doo]], Episode: "E-Scream", the gang deals with some little creatures who have a virus which causes them to become violent. The episode ends with the revelation that it's just a VR video game,<ref>thanks to Velma noticing a handful of [[A Glitch in the Matrix|glitches in the matrix]]</ref> and the critters don't exist. Hmmmmm, [[Sarcasm Mode|so I guess the intro scene, which wasn't part of the video game, and involved some dudes playing with said critters]] [[Plot Hole|was forgotten by everyone]]?
* [[What's New, Scooby-Doo?]], Episode: "E-Scream", the gang deals with some little creatures who have a virus which causes them to become violent. The episode ends with the revelation that it's just a VR video game,<ref>thanks to Velma noticing a handful of [[A Glitch in the Matrix|glitches in the matrix]]</ref> and the critters don't exist. Hmmmmm, [[Sarcasm Mode|so I guess the intro scene, which wasn't part of the video game, and involved some dudes playing with said critters]] [[Plot Hole|was forgotten by everyone]]?




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* ''[[Winx Club]]'': An S3 ep has Tecna sacrifice herself to save Layla's realm. Just one problem with that: In doing so, she gets her Enchantix powers. It was firmly established earlier in the season that each girl is supposed to save someone from her own world through a great sacrifice to get hers. At no point did the episode, or even the series, feature (or even mention) anyone else from Tecna's world.
* ''[[Winx Club]]'': An S3 ep has Tecna sacrifice herself to save Layla's realm. Just one problem with that: In doing so, she gets her Enchantix powers. It was firmly established earlier in the season that each girl is supposed to save someone from her own world through a great sacrifice to get hers. At no point did the episode, or even the series, feature (or even mention) anyone else from Tecna's world.
** As of the end of S4, we ''still'' haven't been to Tecna's home-realm, and she's moved on from Enchantix to Believix.
** As of the end of S4, we ''still'' haven't been to Tecna's home-realm, and she's moved on from Enchantix to Believix.
** This is far from the only [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot|complaint]] made about the third season. From that same season, we have [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9N3q7lF6Y this scene], in which Icy doesn't [[Playing with Fire|fight Bloom with fire]] even though she was shown [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMEowH5X84k getting that power] two minutes ago, while Darcy (whose first action in the series was to detect Bloom hiding behind a trashcan) gets tangled with Stormy after Layla sneaks up behind them. The "best" part? These lapses in logic were the result of [[Dub Induced Plot Hole|editing]].
** This is far from the only [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot|complaint]] made about the third season. From that same season, we have [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9N3q7lF6Y this scene], in which Icy doesn't [[Playing with Fire|fight Bloom with fire]] even though she was shown [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMEowH5X84k getting that power] two minutes ago, while Darcy (whose first action in the series was to detect Bloom hiding behind a trashcan) gets tangled with Stormy after Layla sneaks up behind them. The "best" part? These lapses in logic were the result of [[Dub-Induced Plot Hole|editing]].
** Regarding Tecna's Enchantix, some people have argued that Tecna still did save an ''entire realm'' and so she does deserve her Enchantix. I've heard some fans even suggest that someone simply may have been visiting Layla's realm during that time to justify it.
** Regarding Tecna's Enchantix, some people have argued that Tecna still did save an ''entire realm'' and so she does deserve her Enchantix. I've heard some fans even suggest that someone simply may have been visiting Layla's realm during that time to justify it.
* On an episode of ''[[Monster Buster Club]]'' (an otherwise quite enjoyable show), one B-plot revolved around team tomboy Sam. She is angry because there are "no female characters in comics" and has to make her own 'girl comics'. Now ok, you can argue that women are treated differently in comics or objectified; but to say that there are '''no''' women in comics at all... is simply ridiculous. [[Wonder Woman]], [[Birds of Prey]], [[Lady Death]], Photon was for a time Captain Marvel for crying out loud, [[Storm]] used to lead the X-Men. The claim is impossible to back up. It doesn't make Sam look 'strong' or 'passionate'; it makes her sound like she seriously [[Did Not Do the Research]]... which is exactly what the writers did(n't) do.
* On an episode of ''[[Monster Buster Club]]'' (an otherwise quite enjoyable show), one B-plot revolved around team tomboy Sam. She is angry because there are "no female characters in comics" and has to make her own 'girl comics'. Now ok, you can argue that women are treated differently in comics or objectified; but to say that there are '''no''' women in comics at all... is simply ridiculous. [[Wonder Woman]], [[Birds of Prey]], [[Lady Death]], Photon was for a time Captain Marvel for crying out loud, [[Storm]] used to lead the X-Men. The claim is impossible to back up. It doesn't make Sam look 'strong' or 'passionate'; it makes her sound like she seriously [[Did Not Do the Research]]... which is exactly what the writers did(n't) do.