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'''Joey:''' Yeah. Like a cow's opinion. It doesn't matter. It's moo.

'''Rachel:''' Have I been living with him too long or did that just make sense? }}

* During the Second Season finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus removing him as a bad guy. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the franchise later on takes the position (on Angel's own TV show, season 4, to be precise) that Angel and Angelus are entirely separate entities who just happen to take turns using the same body and that Angel is therefore not morally liable for Angelus' actions, by that point the franchise has also long established Angel's own willingness to be killed if that becomes necessary to stop Angelus from hurting anyone ever again, so its a moot point. But Xander is still entirely correct in that virtually no one the show, except maybe Cordelia, seems to even ''care'' about this dilemna. Buffy is too focused that she can get Angel back to realize he might have a point, and Willow is too focused on supporting Buffy to do so either.

** The other hotly debated question from that episode is 'Xander's Lie', when Xander deliberately fails to tell Buffy that Willow is making a second attempt at the re-ensouling spell and leaves Buffy with the impression that she has no alternative left but to fight Angelus to the death. Some (including Buffy, when she eventually found out about it in season 7) considered this a gross personal betrayal, others considered it Xander making a hard choice out of necessity because Buffy had failed to defeat Angelus on multiple occasions before due to lack of motivation and if she holds back against him yet again out of hope that his soul will soon be restored, the world might end up sucked into hell. However, the part that qualifies for this trope is the entirely valid point Xander attempted to make to Willow (that neither she nor anyone else in the show paid the slightest bit of attention to) -- which was that she was an inexperienced spellcaster trying to attempt a magical ritual she had already failed at once under better conditions, only partly understood, and '''while Willow was already suffering from a concussion'''. In other words, that in Xander's estimation she has no realistic chance of actually succeeding in casting the spell and every chance of killing herself trying to.

** In the second game, local [[Country Mouse]] Lotta Hart suggests that the culprit of the case you're working on is in fact {{spoiler|the [[Cloudcuckoolander|perpetually spacey]] Ini Miney. She's right}}.

* ''[[Killzone]]'', as seen in the quote above. When the party came across a Helghast base en route to their destination. Templar thinks that they should sneak around it while Rico suggests that they go through the base and kill everything. Hakha agrees with Rico, but only because the base's MLRS are firing at ISA troops and thus must be destroyed.

'''[[The Smart Guy|Roxis]]''': "...Sometimes, I envy your simplicity." }}

* In ''[[Mass Effect]]'', the council (or at least the [[Jerkass|Turian member]]) seem to believe this whenever the find out Shepard is telling the truth. They even use the saying at one point;

* In ''[[The Venture Brothers]]'', when a spike-laden deathtrap comes closing in on them, Hank suggests they contact Dr. Orpheus. Dr. Venture vehemently objects half because Hank is a dumbass and half because he really doesn't like Dr. Orpheus. Brock outright says "I know it sounds crazy, but Hank has the ''only'' idea." Dr. Venture only relents when Brock starts lining them up for the least painful death.

* Happens every so often in the 2003 ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003|Ninja Turtles]]'' cartoon, and almost always in reference to [[Cloudcuckoolander|Michelangelo]]. Usually it's [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|Raphael]] who gets to admit it.

'''Timmy''': [[The Ditz|Cosmo,]] that's a great idea! Gee, I never thought I'd say those 5 words in a row before. }}

* Done a few times with Pinky in ''[[Pinky and The Brain]]''. Most of the time when Pinky says something stupid it earns him a hit on the head from Brain. But the few times he actually made a good point, Brain is getting ready to hit him out of habit when he stops and thinks and then admits he has a point.