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== Canon Discontinuity ==
== Canon Discontinuity ==
== Fanon Discontinuity ==
== Fanon Discontinuity ==
== Negative Continuity ==
== UNSORTED ==
[[Category:Examples Need Sorting]]
* Many fans of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' are notorious for this, seeing as how many fan theories of future events were thrown out the window by the premiere of a new season, hence the term [[Jossed]], there are a few moments that just about everybody likes to forget.
* Many fans of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' are notorious for this, seeing as how many fan theories of future events were thrown out the window by the premiere of a new season, hence the term [[Jossed]], there are a few moments that just about everybody likes to forget.
** Most fanfic (particularly the slash) will ignore that Spike said (and was later confirmed) to have been sired by Drusilla and NOT Angelus. To be fair this theory seemed canon for several seasons until clarified and, as many point out, [[The Ophelia|Drusilla was hardly in a fit state of mind to raise a child herself]] so Angelus probally did a lot of it.
** Most fanfic (particularly the slash) will ignore that Spike said (and was later confirmed) to have been sired by Drusilla and NOT Angelus. To be fair this theory seemed canon for several seasons until clarified and, as many point out, [[The Ophelia|Drusilla was hardly in a fit state of mind to raise a child herself]] so Angelus probally did a lot of it.
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** Some fans, especially since the begining of the penultimate arc, consider the Season 8 comic-book as non canon. Officially, even if it is a comic, it is canon because it is outlined, and in some parts written, by [[Joss Whedon]] himself.
** Some fans, especially since the begining of the penultimate arc, consider the Season 8 comic-book as non canon. Officially, even if it is a comic, it is canon because it is outlined, and in some parts written, by [[Joss Whedon]] himself.
** In a related instance, after {{spoiler|Angel was revealed to be Twilight,}} many fans concluded that any of IDW's Angel comics after ''After The Fall'' (which was outlined, but not written, by Whedon) were non-canon. IDW says it considers them canon cause they are approved by [[Mutant Enemy]] and Fox. Think of that what you will.
** In a related instance, after {{spoiler|Angel was revealed to be Twilight,}} many fans concluded that any of IDW's Angel comics after ''After The Fall'' (which was outlined, but not written, by Whedon) were non-canon. IDW says it considers them canon cause they are approved by [[Mutant Enemy]] and Fox. Think of that what you will.
* There are two things most fans of ''[[The Shield]]'' would like to forget: the second-season flashback episode "Co-Pilot" (which was made solely to pad the season while the makeup crew figured out how to do facial scarring for one of the characters) and a scene where Dutch Wagenbach strangles a cat to death after being told by a serial killer that he didn't know what it was like to see the life drain out of a living creature. The latter example was later officially disregarded in season three when Dutch adopts a stray cat, remarking that it's nice to have an animal companion for a change.
* The majority of [[Mr. Bean]] fans reject the animated series, due to half the episodes being utterly, ''utterly'' ridiculous (far more than the beloved live action version, which has [[Rowan Atkinson]] and his excellent physical comedy to make it work), as well as the reveal that Bean himself is in fact a member of a species of aliens who are all identical to him.
* A sizable portion of the ''[[Law and Order]]'' fanbase likes to pretend that ''[[Law & Order: LA|Law and Order LA]]'' never happened, because once it became clear that the show was failing, the show's writers took [[Retool|desperate measures]] to try to keep it on the air, including moving Connie Rubirosa out to Los Angeles. Even though the original ''Law & Order'' had already ended, some fans (namely the one's whose head canons stated that she and Mike Cutter were living happily ever after) believed that this screwed up canon badly enough to disown ''LOLA'' altogether.
* Some ''[[All in The Family]]'' fans disregard the [[After Show]] ''[[Archie Bunker's Place]]''. ''Family'' had already ended with a [[Grand Finale]] (where Mike and Gloria move out of the house and have a long, tearful goodbye with the rest of the Bunkers, while Archie and Edith decide to adopt Stephanie), but Carroll O'Connor's creative clout and the show's still-high ratings led to four more seasons in a retooled format, which resulted in {{spoiler|Edith dying of a stroke}} between seasons, and Mike and Gloria splitting offscreen.
* Some ''[[Seinfeld]]'' fans discredit the Season 2 episode 'The Jacket', in which Elaine's father appears. This is because the actor playing him was abusive to the cast members and stole a butcher's knife from the set which they took as a threat, especially as he returned to the set late at night a week after the episode had been finished. Thanks to the lack of story arcs in the series, avoiding this episode has no impact on continuity.
** Also some discredit the original version of 'The Handicap Spot', as Frank Costanza is played by John Randolph, not Jerry Stiller. Stiller plays him in the syndicated version of the episode and the rest of the show's run, so watching the syndicated version avoids the continuity error. The DVD features both versions.
* Many fans choose to completely ignore the third season of the original ''[[Land of the Lost (TV series)|Land of the Lost]]'' where Rick Marshall was ([[Put On the Bus]]?), Uncle Jack substituted and the series essentially dropped in quality. The serious, thought provoking sci-fi was replaced by [[Gilligan's Island]] antics. Some fans prefer to consider the end of season one to be the real ending. Or pretend that the final season one episode occured at the end of season two.
* Many ''[[Forever Knight]]'' fans refuse to accept season 3 (the final season). The opening episode of the season eliminates two of the fanbase's favorite characters (Schanke is killed in a plane crash and Janette is [[Put on a Bus]]) and replaces them with two characters who are not as well liked. Add in some [[Plot Derailment]] and [[Character Derailment]] over the season and a [[Downer Ending]]....
* Most ''[[Criminal Minds]]'' fans ignore most of season six and pretend that [[Mary Sue|Ashley]] [[Replacement Scrappy|Seaver]] never existed.
* In ''[[iCarly]]'', fans of the Sam/Freddie pairing prefer to forget the episode ''iMeet Fred''. Freddie has a perfectly valid opinion about not finding [[Fred]]'s videos 'that funny'. After an entire episode of being shunned for that opinion, they all confront Fred. Freddie refuses to change his opinion. Sam picks up a modern tennis racquet and drags Freddie off camera, where it sounds like she's beating him with the racquet. When they come back, Freddie looks beaten up, Sam is holding a now broken racquet and he changes his mind under threat of another beating. He apologises, and Sam throws him out of treehouse just to add injury to insult to injury. Freddy and Sam had just recently shared their first kiss a few week prior, so such a beating would seem overly severe in light of their recent history.
** There are episodes like that for most of the various fan pairings.
** ''[[Author Tract|iStart A Fan War]]''. Some would call this to ''iCarly'' like "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven" is to ''[[Family Guy]]''.
* As far as fans are concerned, on ''[[Degrassi the Next Generation]]'', Ellie and Sean had sex.
** On the other hand, many fans will contest that Ellie and Sean never got together, and Sean and Emma never broke up. For that matter, Emma and Spinner never got married.
* With its high cast turnover and meandering plot, ''[[Earth: Final Conflict]]'' has many potential points of discontinuity. The strongest are Boone's apparent death at the end of the first season and season five (the second off-screen), which some felt was a different show altogether.
* ''[[The Golden Girls]]'' ended for most people with {{spoiler|Dorothy's wedding, and the final scene of the three remaining girls crying and hugging each other}}, and the Bea Arthur-less eighth season of ''The Golden Palace'' did not happen.
* Due to [[Seasonal Rot]] and [[Executive Meddling]], the second half of Season Two of ''[[Twin Peaks]]'' (or the Wyndham Earle plot) is considered Discontinuity by fans. [[Executive Meddling|The network pushed for the show's main storyline to be resolved early]] leaving the writers grabbing at reasons to keep Cooper in ''Twin Peaks''. After we learn that {{spoiler|Leeland Palmer was the murderer}} the rest is filler up until the awesome [[David Lynch|Lynch]]-directed finale. Where the series ends is up for argument.
** In the name of the [[Fan-Preferred Couple]], [[Love At First Sight|Annie]] and [[Last-Minute Hookup|Wheeler]] never happened.
** Alternately, some fans will argue that the movie prequel ''Fire Walk With Me'' never happened and prefer to keep Laura's last days ambiguous. [[The Movie]] also changed {{spoiler|Leeland from a poor soul with demonic posession to a murderous incestuous paedophile. This appears to be [[David Lynch]]'s [[Take That]] at the [[Cop Out]] of Leeland's guilt that the series gave us.}}
* Many fans of the rebooted ''[[Battlestar Galactica Reimagined]]'' Do Not Talk about "Black Market." (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[Possession Sue|The Woman King]]." Ever. [[Canon Discontinuity|The writers seem to agree]].
** And the latter half of the BSG finale may be on its way to joining them.
*** The consensus among these fans is that the show ended with "Revelations," the last episode of the first half of Season 4. This means no {{spoiler|mutiny, no revelation of who the fifth Cylon is, what Starbuck is, what the Head characters are, the backhistory of the Final Five and the humanoid Cylons, that the Earth they find is not "our" Earth, the defeat of the Cylons, the resolution of Cally's murder, and the finding of Earth.}} That is a ''lot'' to toss out.
** Fans of [[Battlestar Galactica Classic|the original series]] feel the same way about ''Galactica 1980''.
** To the extent that they willfully forget that many of the proposed continuation (as opposed to reboot) ideas would have included 1980 in the backstory.
** Some include the final episode of ''that'' series, where it explains what happened to Starbuck, in canon. But they immediately toss out any and all window dressing that comes from 1980.
== Negative Continuity ==
== UNSORTED ==
[[Category:Examples Need Sorting]]

* At the end of ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]'''s treatment of ''[[The Girl in Lovers' Lane]]'', the bots are profoundly depressed by the movie's [[Downer Ending]], specifically the [[Shocking Swerve]] death of lovable waitress Carrie. Joel offers the bots a refreshing epiphany that more or less ''defines'' [[Fanon Discontinuity]]: you don't have to ''accept'' what the movie hands you. The cast promptly begin imagining less depressing endings for the film. This was mentioned in the official episode guide as being based on the universal negative reactions of the writing team upon first viewing the film, and the skit seemed almost psychologically necessary.
* At the end of ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]'''s treatment of ''[[The Girl in Lovers' Lane]]'', the bots are profoundly depressed by the movie's [[Downer Ending]], specifically the [[Shocking Swerve]] death of lovable waitress Carrie. Joel offers the bots a refreshing epiphany that more or less ''defines'' [[Fanon Discontinuity]]: you don't have to ''accept'' what the movie hands you. The cast promptly begin imagining less depressing endings for the film. This was mentioned in the official episode guide as being based on the universal negative reactions of the writing team upon first viewing the film, and the skit seemed almost psychologically necessary.
** In the episode ''[[Soultaker]]'', Crow and Servo refuse to accept the [[Happily Ever After]] and claim what ''really'' happened was a [[Downer Ending]] where the protagonists' relationship failed and the hero ended up in jail, making bootleg vodka in the toilet. Mike asks if they aren't being a little doom-and-gloom, and they [[Sarcasm Mode|sarcastically]] suggest an ending where everything is [[Tastes Like Diabetes|puppies and sunshine and rainbows]]. Mike asks if it ''has'' to be unrealistically depressing or unrealistically happy with no middle ground, and they say yep, it's either toilet vodka or unicorn giggles.
** In the episode ''[[Soultaker]]'', Crow and Servo refuse to accept the [[Happily Ever After]] and claim what ''really'' happened was a [[Downer Ending]] where the protagonists' relationship failed and the hero ended up in jail, making bootleg vodka in the toilet. Mike asks if they aren't being a little doom-and-gloom, and they [[Sarcasm Mode|sarcastically]] suggest an ending where everything is [[Tastes Like Diabetes|puppies and sunshine and rainbows]]. Mike asks if it ''has'' to be unrealistically depressing or unrealistically happy with no middle ground, and they say yep, it's either toilet vodka or unicorn giggles.
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** Even the [[Star Trek: The Original Series|original series]] had several episodes (mostly in the third season) that fans consider non-canon. "[[Star Trek/Recap/S3/E01 Spocks Brain|Spock's Brain]]" specifically is almost universally condemned to non-existence. However Vulcan biology works, it shouldn't work that way.
** Even the [[Star Trek: The Original Series|original series]] had several episodes (mostly in the third season) that fans consider non-canon. "[[Star Trek/Recap/S3/E01 Spocks Brain|Spock's Brain]]" specifically is almost universally condemned to non-existence. However Vulcan biology works, it shouldn't work that way.
** ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' fans sometimes throw out Season Seven, as so much of what happens (magic books? Dukat posing as a Bajoran to get in Winn's robes?) is considered [[Seasonal Rot|significantly lower in quality]] than the previous six seasons. Other fans might be okay with most of season 7, but would like to pretend that pretty much every Ferengi episode in the series besides [[Good Troi Episode|The Magnificent Ferengi]] never happened. ''Let He Who Is Without Sin...'' is another episode that many would rather forget.
** ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' fans sometimes throw out Season Seven, as so much of what happens (magic books? Dukat posing as a Bajoran to get in Winn's robes?) is considered [[Seasonal Rot|significantly lower in quality]] than the previous six seasons. Other fans might be okay with most of season 7, but would like to pretend that pretty much every Ferengi episode in the series besides [[Good Troi Episode|The Magnificent Ferengi]] never happened. ''Let He Who Is Without Sin...'' is another episode that many would rather forget.
* Many fans of the rebooted ''[[Battlestar Galactica Reimagined]]'' Do Not Talk about "Black Market." (Because you know that Apollo would ''totally'' abandon his pregnant girlfriend and never mention her again just to go to a hooker to placate his guilt over said incident.) Or "[[Possession Sue|The Woman King]]." Ever. [[Canon Discontinuity|The writers seem to agree]].
** And the latter half of the BSG finale may be on its way to joining them.
*** The consensus among these fans is that the show ended with "Revelations," the last episode of the first half of Season 4. This means no {{spoiler|mutiny, no revelation of who the fifth Cylon is, what Starbuck is, what the Head characters are, the backhistory of the Final Five and the humanoid Cylons, that the Earth they find is not "our" Earth, the defeat of the Cylons, the resolution of Cally's murder, and the finding of Earth.}} That is a ''lot'' to toss out.
** Fans of [[Battlestar Galactica Classic|the original series]] feel the same way about ''Galactica 1980''.
** To the extent that they willfully forget that many of the proposed continuation (as opposed to reboot) ideas would have included 1980 in the backstory.
** Some include the final episode of ''that'' series, where it explains what happened to Starbuck, in canon. But they immediately toss out any and all window dressing that comes from 1980.
* ''[[Highlander the Series]]'': The death of Richie Ryan at the end of season 5 was so poorly handled that many fans decided to exclude that arc. A season or so before, Duncan's reaming Richie out for coming back to Paris after publicly "dying" in a fiery motorcycle accident. Now, Mac's cheerfully hoisting his former student on the barge like it's no problem. [[They Just Didn't Care]]. It didn't help that Richie's death was a result of not just [[Character Derailment]] and an [[Idiot Plot]], but also a completely new creature, a demon, added to the Highlander universe [[Ass Pull|despite there being no hints at its existence in any prior episodes]]. It's no wonder a great many fans instantly chose to deny the whole thing ever happened.
* ''[[Highlander the Series]]'': The death of Richie Ryan at the end of season 5 was so poorly handled that many fans decided to exclude that arc. A season or so before, Duncan's reaming Richie out for coming back to Paris after publicly "dying" in a fiery motorcycle accident. Now, Mac's cheerfully hoisting his former student on the barge like it's no problem. [[They Just Didn't Care]]. It didn't help that Richie's death was a result of not just [[Character Derailment]] and an [[Idiot Plot]], but also a completely new creature, a demon, added to the Highlander universe [[Ass Pull|despite there being no hints at its existence in any prior episodes]]. It's no wonder a great many fans instantly chose to deny the whole thing ever happened.
** Many fans banded together and formed an actual group called "Clan Denial." Deniers, as they were called, refused to accept that the Ahriman Arc (and thus the death of Richie) had ever occurred. The episode in which Richie died ("Archangel") was referred to as "The Nonexistent Episode."
** Many fans banded together and formed an actual group called "Clan Denial." Deniers, as they were called, refused to accept that the Ahriman Arc (and thus the death of Richie) had ever occurred. The episode in which Richie died ("Archangel") was referred to as "The Nonexistent Episode."
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** Others will except season 7 and the first half of season 8 up though Sara's departure. Many refuse to accept Warrick's out-of-character downward spiral and eventual death.
** Others will except season 7 and the first half of season 8 up though Sara's departure. Many refuse to accept Warrick's out-of-character downward spiral and eventual death.
** Finally, fans will watch the show up to Grissom's departure in season 9 and then stop. To some, anything after is almost like a completely different show.
** Finally, fans will watch the show up to Grissom's departure in season 9 and then stop. To some, anything after is almost like a completely different show.
* Many ''[[Forever Knight]]'' fans refuse to accept season 3 (the final season). The opening episode of the season eliminates two of the fanbase's favorite characters (Schanke is killed in a plane crash and Janette is [[Put on a Bus]]) and replaces them with two characters who are not as well liked. Add in some [[Plot Derailment]] and [[Character Derailment]] over the season and a [[Downer Ending]]....
* Most ''[[Criminal Minds]]'' fans ignore most of season six and pretend that [[Mary Sue|Ashley]] [[Replacement Scrappy|Seaver]] never existed.
* In ''[[iCarly]]'', fans of the Sam/Freddie pairing prefer to forget the episode ''iMeet Fred''. Freddie has a perfectly valid opinion about not finding [[Fred]]'s videos 'that funny'. After an entire episode of being shunned for that opinion, they all confront Fred. Freddie refuses to change his opinion. Sam picks up a modern tennis racquet and drags Freddie off camera, where it sounds like she's beating him with the racquet. When they come back, Freddie looks beaten up, Sam is holding a now broken racquet and he changes his mind under threat of another beating. He apologises, and Sam throws him out of treehouse just to add injury to insult to injury. Freddy and Sam had just recently shared their first kiss a few week prior, so such a beating would seem overly severe in light of their recent history.
** There are episodes like that for most of the various fan pairings.
** ''[[Author Tract|iStart A Fan War]]''. Some would call this to ''iCarly'' like "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven" is to ''[[Family Guy]]''.
* As far as fans are concerned, on ''[[Degrassi the Next Generation]]'', Ellie and Sean had sex.
** On the other hand, many fans will contest that Ellie and Sean never got together, and Sean and Emma never broke up. For that matter, Emma and Spinner never got married.
* With its high cast turnover and meandering plot, ''[[Earth: Final Conflict]]'' has many potential points of discontinuity. The strongest are Boone's apparent death at the end of the first season and season five (the second off-screen), which some felt was a different show altogether.
* ''[[The Golden Girls]]'' ended for most people with {{spoiler|Dorothy's wedding, and the final scene of the three remaining girls crying and hugging each other}}, and the Bea Arthur-less eighth season of ''The Golden Palace'' did not happen.
* Due to [[Seasonal Rot]] and [[Executive Meddling]], the second half of Season Two of ''[[Twin Peaks]]'' (or the Wyndham Earle plot) is considered Discontinuity by fans. [[Executive Meddling|The network pushed for the show's main storyline to be resolved early]] leaving the writers grabbing at reasons to keep Cooper in ''Twin Peaks''. After we learn that {{spoiler|Leeland Palmer was the murderer}} the rest is filler up until the awesome [[David Lynch|Lynch]]-directed finale. Where the series ends is up for argument.
** In the name of the [[Fan-Preferred Couple]], [[Love At First Sight|Annie]] and [[Last-Minute Hookup|Wheeler]] never happened.
** Alternately, some fans will argue that the movie prequel ''Fire Walk With Me'' never happened and prefer to keep Laura's last days ambiguous. [[The Movie]] also changed {{spoiler|Leeland from a poor soul with demonic posession to a murderous incestuous paedophile. This appears to be [[David Lynch]]'s [[Take That]] at the [[Cop Out]] of Leeland's guilt that the series gave us.}}
* There's some disagreement as to where the discontinuity begins on ''[[House (TV series)|House]]'', with fans devided between the departure of House's original team in season 3, Kutner's suicide in season 5, House and Cuddy's get-together in season 6, and {{spoiler|House driving his car through Cuddy's dining room}} in season 7. Many fans also refuse to acknowledge the episode, Teamwork, in which {{spoiler|Cameron professes her love to House and then leaves the show.}} Which of these factors is the reason for the discontinuity varies from fan to fan.
* There's some disagreement as to where the discontinuity begins on ''[[House (TV series)|House]]'', with fans devided between the departure of House's original team in season 3, Kutner's suicide in season 5, House and Cuddy's get-together in season 6, and {{spoiler|House driving his car through Cuddy's dining room}} in season 7. Many fans also refuse to acknowledge the episode, Teamwork, in which {{spoiler|Cameron professes her love to House and then leaves the show.}} Which of these factors is the reason for the discontinuity varies from fan to fan.

* Some ''[[Seinfeld]]'' fans discredit the Season 2 episode 'The Jacket', in which Elaine's father appears. This is because the actor playing him was abusive to the cast members and stole a butcher's knife from the set which they took as a threat, especially as he returned to the set late at night a week after the episode had been finished. Thanks to the lack of story arcs in the series, avoiding this episode has no impact on continuity.
** Also some discredit the original version of 'The Handicap Spot', as Frank Costanza is played by John Randolph, not Jerry Stiller. Stiller plays him in the syndicated version of the episode and the rest of the show's run, so watching the syndicated version avoids the continuity error. The DVD features both versions.
* Many fans choose to completely ignore the third season of the original ''[[Land of the Lost (TV series)|Land of the Lost]]'' where Rick Marshall was ([[Put On the Bus]]?), Uncle Jack substituted and the series essentially dropped in quality. The serious, thought provoking sci-fi was replaced by [[Gilligan's Island]] antics. Some fans prefer to consider the end of season one to be the real ending. Or pretend that the final season one episode occured at the end of season two.
* There are two things most fans of ''[[The Shield]]'' would like to forget: the second-season flashback episode "Co-Pilot" (which was made solely to pad the season while the makeup crew figured out how to do facial scarring for one of the characters) and a scene where Dutch Wagenbach strangles a cat to death after being told by a serial killer that he didn't know what it was like to see the life drain out of a living creature. The latter example was later officially disregarded in season three when Dutch adopts a stray cat, remarking that it's nice to have an animal companion for a change.
* The majority of [[Mr. Bean]] fans reject the animated series, due to half the episodes being utterly, ''utterly'' ridiculous (far more than the beloved live action version, which has [[Rowan Atkinson]] and his excellent physical comedy to make it work), as well as the reveal that Bean himself is in fact a member of a species of aliens who are all identical to him.
* A sizable portion of the ''[[Law and Order]]'' fanbase likes to pretend that ''[[Law & Order: LA|Law and Order LA]]'' never happened, because once it became clear that the show was failing, the show's writers took [[Retool|desperate measures]] to try to keep it on the air, including moving Connie Rubirosa out to Los Angeles. Even though the original ''Law & Order'' had already ended, some fans (namely the one's whose head canons stated that she and Mike Cutter were living happily ever after) believed that this screwed up canon badly enough to disown ''LOLA'' altogether.
* Some ''[[All in The Family]]'' fans disregard the [[After Show]] ''[[Archie Bunker's Place]]''. ''Family'' had already ended with a [[Grand Finale]] (where Mike and Gloria move out of the house and have a long, tearful goodbye with the rest of the Bunkers, while Archie and Edith decide to adopt Stephanie), but Carroll O'Connor's creative clout and the show's still-high ratings led to four more seasons in a retooled format, which resulted in {{spoiler|Edith dying of a stroke}} between seasons, and Mike and Gloria splitting offscreen.


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