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* Try and ask comic fans who a superhero's true love is. You ''will'' get a long, twisting thread of responses screaming that [[Catwoman (comics)|Catwoman]] is the person [[Batman]] is meant to be with or [[Wonder Woman]] is the only one who deserves him; declaring either that [[X-Men|Jean Grey and Scott Summers]] are OTP or that people should move on and accept Emma Frost; or fighting over whether [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson's]] retconned-away marriage can be salvaged in the future or is [[Ruined FOREVER]]. Then there's the heroes who don't have alternate potential love interests, who some fans will insist should not have any love interests at all (yes, even supposed untouchables like [[Superman|Clark Kent and Lois Lane]]). And don't even start considering the personality changes and deleted characters and relationships between [[Pre Crisis]] to [[Post-Crisis]] continuity if you're talking about DC. It is impossible to please everyone, no matter what you do.
* Try and ask comic fans who a superhero's true love is. You ''will'' get a long, twisting thread of responses screaming that [[Catwoman (comics)|Catwoman]] is the person [[Batman]] is meant to be with or [[Wonder Woman]] is the only one who deserves him; declaring either that [[X-Men|Jean Grey and Scott Summers]] are OTP or that people should move on and accept Emma Frost; or fighting over whether [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson's]] retconned-away marriage can be salvaged in the future or is [[Ruined FOREVER]]. Then there's the heroes who don't have alternate potential love interests, who some fans will insist should not have any love interests at all (yes, even supposed untouchables like [[Superman|Clark Kent and Lois Lane]]). And don't even start considering the personality changes and deleted characters and relationships between [[Pre Crisis]] to [[Post-Crisis]] continuity if you're talking about DC. It is impossible to please everyone, no matter what you do.
* Take a panel from any Big Two superhero comic, from any era, and ask fans what they think. You will be beset by arthouse snobs insisting that everything before the [[Modern Age]] is crap, [[Silver Age]] nostalgists complaining that a scene has the wrong character dynamics (or characters), Marvel fans whining about DC characterization, DC fans whining about Marvel narration, old school fans complaining about modern continuity, new fans whining about four-color artwork, people insulting thought bubbles, people insulting the lack of thought bubbles, people hating on a character, people hating on a different character, irrelevent complaints about the writer/arc/future continuity/past continuity thrown, etc, etc, etc. Superhero comics doesn't have a [[Broken Base]]. It has a shattered base where each shard represents one single fan's opinions.
* Take a panel from any Big Two superhero comic, from any era, and ask fans what they think. You will be beset by arthouse snobs insisting that everything before the [[Modern Age]] is crap, [[Silver Age]] nostalgists complaining that a scene has the wrong character dynamics (or characters), Marvel fans whining about DC characterization, DC fans whining about Marvel narration, old school fans complaining about modern continuity, new fans whining about four-color artwork, people insulting thought bubbles, people insulting the lack of thought bubbles, people hating on a character, people hating on a different character, irrelevent complaints about the writer/arc/future continuity/past continuity thrown, etc, etc, etc. Superhero comics doesn't have a [[Broken Base]]. It has a shattered base where each shard represents one single fan's opinions.
* DC fans have a division over the New52 relaunch. One side loves it, one side unreservedly loathes it and all it stands for, and the [[Silent Majority]] likes certain aspects. [[Dan Di Dio]] noted that most the hate comes from fans who have favourite characters replaced or benched. Wally West/Barry Allen, old [[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Teen Titans]]/ Lobdell Titans, old/new Starfire and the Batgirls issue are notable fan schisms, with Earth 2, Power Girl's costume and Action Comics also inflaming fans. Tellingly, series that have been better received by fans have smoothed out prior schisms.
* DC fans have a division over the New52 relaunch. One side loves it, one side unreservedly loathes it and all it stands for, and the [[Silent Majority]] likes certain aspects. [[Dan DiDio]] noted that most the hate comes from fans who have favourite characters replaced or benched. Wally West/Barry Allen, old [[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Teen Titans]]/ Lobdell Titans, old/new Starfire and the Batgirls issue are notable fan schisms, with Earth 2, Power Girl's costume and Action Comics also inflaming fans. Tellingly, series that have been better received by fans have smoothed out prior schisms.




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* Pick an event in a ''[[Harry Potter]]'' book. Any event, major, minor, irrelevant, plot-related, character-related...''any'' event, in ''any'' Harry Potter book. It is guaranteed that someone, somewhere, at some point in time, has had a flamewar over something about that event.
* Pick an event in a ''[[Harry Potter]]'' book. Any event, major, minor, irrelevant, plot-related, character-related...''any'' event, in ''any'' Harry Potter book. It is guaranteed that someone, somewhere, at some point in time, has had a flamewar over something about that event.
** One of the most notable events: the Epilogue.
** One of the most notable events: the Epilogue.
* Discussion on any [[Expanded Universe]]. On the official [[Dungeons and Dragons]] forums, discussing any of the novels is an offense punishable by an instant ban, because of what appears to have been one of the worst flame wars in recorded history. The admins and mods did a [[Orwellian Editor|VERY thorough job]] of making sure that the posts comprising the Flame War got deleted, and if a mod even hints at the cause of it, they are fired immediately.
* Discussion on any [[Expanded Universe]]. On the official [[Dungeons & Dragons]] forums, discussing any of the novels is an offense punishable by an instant ban, because of what appears to have been one of the worst flame wars in recorded history. The admins and mods did a [[Orwellian Editor|VERY thorough job]] of making sure that the posts comprising the Flame War got deleted, and if a mod even hints at the cause of it, they are fired immediately.
* [[Shakespeare]]: greatest playwright of the Reformation, or complete fraud? And if Dear William didn't write his works, then who did -- [[Francis Bacon|the guy who died of chills contracted while stuffing chickens with snow]]? [[Christopher Marlowe|The secret agent of the crown killed in a bar fight]]? (incidentally, this makes this trope [[Older Than Steam]], as the discussion has been going on for some time now)
* [[Shakespeare]]: greatest playwright of the Reformation, or complete fraud? And if Dear William didn't write his works, then who did -- [[Francis Bacon|the guy who died of chills contracted while stuffing chickens with snow]]? [[Christopher Marlowe|The secret agent of the crown killed in a bar fight]]? (incidentally, this makes this trope [[Older Than Steam]], as the discussion has been going on for some time now)
* ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'' fanatics vs. haters.
* ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'' fanatics vs. haters.
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== Tabletop Games ==
== Tabletop Games ==
* "Edition Wars" have become a special version of this with regards to [[Tabletop Games]]. Particularly vicious arguments come from comparing [[New World of Darkness]] vs. [[Old World of Darkness]] or any two versions of [[Dungeons and Dragons]] (especially any previous edition vs. 4th).
* "Edition Wars" have become a special version of this with regards to [[Tabletop Games]]. Particularly vicious arguments come from comparing [[New World of Darkness]] vs. [[Old World of Darkness]] or any two versions of [[Dungeons & Dragons]] (especially any previous edition vs. 4th).
* In many communities, discussing game mechanics or strategy at all has been known to incite shrill rage from [[Scrub|players]] who feel the focus of these games should be on "roleplaying" to the total exclusion of mechanics.
* In many communities, discussing game mechanics or strategy at all has been known to incite shrill rage from [[Scrub|players]] who feel the focus of these games should be on "roleplaying" to the total exclusion of mechanics.
* "Traditional" role-play games (generally speaking the ones with a [[Dungeon Master]]) vs. the new "Narrativist" movement. Don't dare to say that "Everybody should choose the way of playing he likes the most". You have been warned.
* "Traditional" role-play games (generally speaking the ones with a [[Dungeon Master]]) vs. the new "Narrativist" movement. Don't dare to say that "Everybody should choose the way of playing he likes the most". You have been warned.
* In the ''[[Warhammer 40000]]'' fandom, this may apply to the two missing Primarchs or to whether or not the Emperor is really all that great. Most of the newer Codexes (particularly the Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Space Marines) and anything about Matt Ward have been causing a lot of cries of "HERESY!" Necrons, surprisingly enough, less so. May the God-Emperor help you if you ever mention female Space Marines.
* In the ''[[Warhammer 40,000]]'' fandom, this may apply to the two missing Primarchs or to whether or not the Emperor is really all that great. Most of the newer Codexes (particularly the Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Space Marines) and anything about Matt Ward have been causing a lot of cries of "HERESY!" Necrons, surprisingly enough, less so. May the God-Emperor help you if you ever mention female Space Marines.
* [[Character Alignment]]. Applies to alignment of given characters, what alignment system to use, and how to use it.
* [[Character Alignment]]. Applies to alignment of given characters, what alignment system to use, and how to use it.
* An experiment you can do at home, but probably shouldn't: start discussing morality or Lunars on an [[Exalted]] forum. Odds are good within thirty posts everything will be on fire. Thirty posts after that someone will come and burn your house down.
* An experiment you can do at home, but probably shouldn't: start discussing morality or Lunars on an [[Exalted]] forum. Odds are good within thirty posts everything will be on fire. Thirty posts after that someone will come and burn your house down.
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** The "genders" of Legendary Pokemon (despite most of them officially being genderless) is the source of many a flame-war...especially when it involves poor Mew.
** The "genders" of Legendary Pokemon (despite most of them officially being genderless) is the source of many a flame-war...especially when it involves poor Mew.
** Whether certain Pokemon belong in the uber tier or not - almost every single one there has been subject to fights as to just whether or not it deserves inclusion.
** Whether certain Pokemon belong in the uber tier or not - almost every single one there has been subject to fights as to just whether or not it deserves inclusion.
* [[Runescape]]:
* [[RuneScape]]:
{{quote|"Poster 1:" *Insert recent update here* sucks!
{{quote|"Poster 1:" *Insert recent update here* sucks!
"Poster 2:" No, *Same update* rocks!
"Poster 2:" No, *Same update* rocks!
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** New update? Rinse, lather, repeat. And [[Unpleasable Fanbase|"Fix this! Nerf that! Magic is unbalanced! Stupid Jagex!"]] is present all the time.
** New update? Rinse, lather, repeat. And [[Unpleasable Fanbase|"Fix this! Nerf that! Magic is unbalanced! Stupid Jagex!"]] is present all the time.
** Just ''mentioning'' Runescape can start a bonfire.
** Just ''mentioning'' Runescape can start a bonfire.
** Speaking of [[Runescape]], what about their sister site, Funorb?! Funorb is practically dead, and it's festering with people who refuse to let go of the site and flame on the forums that they want something done.
** Speaking of [[RuneScape]], what about their sister site, Funorb?! Funorb is practically dead, and it's festering with people who refuse to let go of the site and flame on the forums that they want something done.
* ''[[Left 4 Dead]]'' starts one whenever anyone dares to compare the first game to the second. Bring the marshmallows if you attempt to bring up the boycotters of the sequel and bring a flame retardant suit if you ever mention the balance of VS mode.
* ''[[Left 4 Dead]]'' starts one whenever anyone dares to compare the first game to the second. Bring the marshmallows if you attempt to bring up the boycotters of the sequel and bring a flame retardant suit if you ever mention the balance of VS mode.
* Please... consider the consequences before asking, "Does [[Heavy Rain]] qualify as a video game?"
* Please... consider the consequences before asking, "Does [[Heavy Rain]] qualify as a video game?"
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