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* ''[[Cry the Beloved Country]]'' {{context}}
* ''[[Cry the Beloved Country]]'' {{context}}


== [[Live Action TV]] ==
== [[Live-Action TV]] ==
* ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' did this with Teal'c attempting to die for the murder of a local's father when he was Apophis's [[The Dragon|First Prime]]. Naturally, the fact that Apophis had threatened to kill ''everybody'' if he didn't [[Shoot the Dog|kill one guy]] did little to touch the "judge", who was the victim's son. [[Values Dissonance|By design]].
* ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' did this with Teal'c attempting to die for the murder of a local's father when he was Apophis's [[The Dragon|First Prime]]. Naturally, the fact that Apophis had threatened to kill ''everybody'' if he didn't [[Shoot the Dog|kill one guy]] did little to touch the "judge", who was the victim's son. [[Values Dissonance|By design]].
** Teal'c even hides the fact that he did it to save the rest of the community from his friends because he truly believes he deserves the punishment and doesn't want his friends defending his actions.
** Teal'c even hides the fact that he did it to save the rest of the community from his friends because he truly believes he deserves the punishment and doesn't want his friends defending his actions.
* ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'':
* This is the main plot of the ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' episode "Duet": a minor bureaucrat in an infamous Cardassian labor camp attempts both to atone for his moral cowardice and to bring his government to account for its atrocities by impersonating the camp's commandant and submitting to a Bajoran war crimes tribunal, where he would face almost certain death.
** This is the main plot of the ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' episode "Duet": a minor bureaucrat in an infamous Cardassian labor camp attempts both to atone for his moral cowardice and to bring his government to account for its atrocities by impersonating the camp's commandant and submitting to a Bajoran war crimes tribunal, where he would face almost certain death.
** In the ''[[Deep Space Nine]]'' episode "The Adversary", Odo killed another Changeling to prevent him from killing the crew of the Defiant. By doing this, he broke the law of his people [[Ape Shall Never Kill Ape|never to kill a fellow Changeling]]. Although Odo had previously broken with his people and the Federation was soon to be at war with them, he headed to his home planet anyway, since he believed he deserved to be tried for his deed. The trial ended with Odo being found guilty and turned into a human, which basically meant his death as a Changeling.
** In the ''[[Deep Space Nine]]'' episode "The Adversary", Odo killed another Changeling to prevent him from killing the crew of the Defiant. By doing this, he broke the law of his people [[Ape Shall Never Kill Ape|never to kill a fellow Changeling]]. Although Odo had previously broken with his people and the Federation was soon to be at war with them, he headed to his home planet anyway, since he believed he deserved to be tried for his deed. The trial ended with Odo being found guilty and turned into a human, which basically meant his death as a Changeling.
* ''[[Boston Legal]]'', "Death Be Not Proud": James Spader goes down to Texas to try and get a kid spared from the death penalty, but cannot because the kid has been told so many times that he was guilty that he'd convinced himself of it. Ends with a passionate speech against the death penalty, and then a horrible scene where the kid dies. Emotional TV.
* ''[[Boston Legal]]'', "Death Be Not Proud": James Spader goes down to Texas to try and get a kid spared from the death penalty, but cannot because the kid has been told so many times that he was guilty that he'd convinced himself of it. Ends with a passionate speech against the death penalty, and then a horrible scene where the kid dies. Emotional TV.
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* In ''[[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]]'', [[Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs (novel)|Snow White]] seems to take this attitude in the letter she sent to the Evil Queen after she realizes that the Queen had sent a huntsman to kill her. In the letter, she admits that it is her fault that the Queen "will never know true love, so it is only fitting that I be denied that same joy." However, Snow is quick enough to run off when the Huntsman gives her the chance, so this may not actually be how she feels.
* In ''[[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]]'', [[Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs (novel)|Snow White]] seems to take this attitude in the letter she sent to the Evil Queen after she realizes that the Queen had sent a huntsman to kill her. In the letter, she admits that it is her fault that the Queen "will never know true love, so it is only fitting that I be denied that same joy." However, Snow is quick enough to run off when the Huntsman gives her the chance, so this may not actually be how she feels.


== [[Real Life]] ==
== Music ==
* In the second album by [[The Protomen]], ''Father Of Death'', Dr. Light is framed for the murder of his girlfriend by Dr. Wily. Because Light built the robot that Wily used to kill her, he feels so guilty and hopeless that even when he's acquitted in court, he doesn't resist when Wily whips up a lynch mob out for his blood. His security detail getting him on a train out of [[The City]] is the only reason he lives long enough to make his plans to overthrow Wily.
* The death of Socrates
* Honor killings. In order for a woman who has "shamed" her family to be forgiven, they have to murder her. [[Values Dissonance|Accepted and encouraged in parts of the world, treated as murder everywhere else]], [[Double Standard|and doesn't apply to men who do the same thing]].


== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
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* Happened to [[Green Lantern]] John Stewart in the animated ''[[Justice League]]'' (and the comic-book story the episode was based on). He was framed into thinking a stray blast from his ring destroyed a nearby inhabited planet as part of a larger plot.
* Happened to [[Green Lantern]] John Stewart in the animated ''[[Justice League]]'' (and the comic-book story the episode was based on). He was framed into thinking a stray blast from his ring destroyed a nearby inhabited planet as part of a larger plot.


== Music ==
== [[Real Life]] ==
* The death of Socrates
* In the second album by [[The Protomen]], ''Father Of Death'', Dr. Light is framed for the murder of his girlfriend by Dr. Wily. Because Light built the robot that Wily used to kill her, he feels so guilty and hopeless that even when he's acquitted in court, he doesn't resist when Wily whips up a lynch mob out for his blood. His security detail getting him on a train out of [[The City]] is the only reason he lives long enough to make his plans to overthrow Wily.
* Honor killings. In order for a woman who has "shamed" her family to be forgiven, they have to murder her. [[Values Dissonance|Accepted and encouraged in parts of the world, treated as murder everywhere else]], [[Double Standard|and doesn't apply to men who do the same thing]].


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