Internet Backdraft/Anime and Manga: Difference between revisions

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** The [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] is getting bigger and bigger. With the expected [[Flame War|flame wars]]. America/England vs. Russia/America vs. France/England vs. England/Japan vs. England/Portugal? Greece/Japan vs. Greece/Turkey? Hungary/Austria vs. Hungary/Prussia vs. Hungary/Turkey vs. Hungary/Romania vs. Hungary/Poland? Russia/Lithuania vs. Poland/Lithuania? Poland/Lithuania vs. Poland/Ukraine? Germany/Prussia vs. Germany/North Italy vs. Germany/Austria? China/Japan vs. China/Taiwan vs. Taiwan/Japan vs. Taiwan/Hong Kong? Spain/Romano vs. Spain/Belgium vs. Spain/Netherlands? France/Canada vs. Prussia/Canada vs. Canada/Cuba? Sweden/Finland vs. Sweden/Denmark? Denmark/Norway vs. Norway/Iceland vs. Hong Kong/Iceland? America/England vs. EVERY other ship? Pick your poison. (The last one in particular has caused more wank than all the other combats put together.)

** Then there was the ''tsunami'' of internet outrage when a group of Germany, Prussia and Austria cosplayers did a Nazi salute just ''minutes'' from a Holocaust memorial. [[Fee Fi Faux Pas|On Passover]]. This is not helping ''anyone's'' case any AT ALL.

*** Evidence on this can still be found on [[~~Live Journal~~]] in the Hetalia community, since this happened at the start of April 2009.

*** Evidence on this can still be found on [[LiveJournal]] in the Hetalia community, since this happened at the start of April 2009.

** Try asking about the countries personified as females in a discussion on gender roles. Watch both sides tear each other apart in arguing whether Hetalia is sexist or not to its females, or even if the countries they represent have as much significance as "First World" nations like America. [[It Got Worse|It gets worse]]. [[Take a Third Option|Taking a third option]] might also not be very wise if the particular discussion is already heated.

*** Even better if you discuss the girls in regards to [[Shipping Wars]]. Is it valid to have them paired up, or would it kill their personalities? Do they become insta [[Relationship Sue|Relationship Sues]] if they have boyfriends and would be better off alone - and preferently, ''[[Het Is Ew|completely]]'' [[Het Is Ew|out of the picture]] (so the boys can bone each other better)? ''Which'' guy should be The Chosen One? (re: Hungary/Austria vs. Hungary/Prussia vs. Hungary/Romania, Taiwan/Japan vs. Taiwan/Hong Kong vs. Taiwan/Korea vs. Taiwan/China, Belgium/Netherlands vs. Belgium/Spain vs. Belgium/Romano)? And what about [[Les Yay]]: a convenient third option to have both girls ''and'' slashy goodness, or mere fetishization and oversexualisation? Oh, giiiiiiiirl.

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*** The dub itself has become a [[Rated "M" for Money|controversial subject]] of discussion due to its massive script rewrites which FUNimation claimed were necessary and [[Crosses the Line Twice|"purposely offensive"]] to reach a wider audience. The results of bringing up this subject are a lot more loaded than any [[Shipping]] debate; The Hetalia fans that love the dub, the fans that hate the dub, and even the haters of Hetalia itself will tear each other to shreds.

** Even within the fandom, the question of where to draw the line can get heated. When it comes to real warfare, natural disasters, political strife; what is or isn't appropriate cosplay attire; even the shipping of nations with especially bloody histories (such as Germany/Poland, China/Japan), there is no easy answer.

* Go to a ''[[Berserk]]'' [http://skullknight.net forum populated mostly by guys] and declare that you think Griffith is gay or bisexual and prepare to have people defend his manly honor (and don't even ''think'' about mentioning Guts). Mention that you think Griffith ''isn't'' gay on a [[~~Live Journal~~|forum populated mostly by girls]] and watch the heads roll as they accuse you of being homophobic and/or hating yaoi as a whole, no matter what your stance on [[Real Life]] LGBT businesses are.

* Go to a ''[[Berserk]]'' [http://skullknight.net forum populated mostly by guys] and declare that you think Griffith is gay or bisexual and prepare to have people defend his manly honor (and don't even ''think'' about mentioning Guts). Mention that you think Griffith ''isn't'' gay on a [[LiveJournal|forum populated mostly by girls]] and watch the heads roll as they accuse you of being homophobic and/or hating yaoi as a whole, no matter what your stance on [[Real Life]] LGBT businesses are.

** Call Casca a whore, and declare your own death to such people.

* Talk about [[4Kids! Entertainment|4Kids]]. Period. If you have a death wish, mention that you don't think the dub of [insert any show that 4Kids worked on here] was all that bad and/or that the [[Fan Dumb|fans are dumb]] for getting so worked up over something so stupid. Even the most civilized board or chat room will dogpile you.

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** Don't ask about ethnicity in ''Bleach'', especially in the case of Yoruichi. What's especially disturbing about this is the number of people who don't just disagree, but are violently opposed, '''offended''' in fact, at the suggestion [[Ambiguously Brown|that Yoruichi may be black.]] [[Unfortunate Implications|Wonder what their problem is?]]

* ''[[Corrector Yui]]''. The manga/anime had so many divided opinions that if you ever bring such name in certain anime forums, there'll be the ones that liked both seasons, ones that only liked one of them, and the ones that despise Corrector Yui like it's a 4-Kids dub, but made in Japan. To have a slight idea, even in Japan such backdraft happens, and some manage to call Yui an "indecent harlot", and say that was Kia Asamiya's second biggest error (some of them claim that his biggest error was to convert [[Batman]] into a manga, without the things that would make ''normal'' Japanese people think he was a villain).

* Just try to go into any ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima]]'' or ''[[~~Mai~~-HiME]]'' fan board and say you don't like Natsuki/Shizuru and/or Konoka/Setsuna pairings, regardless of your overall sexual views. Or that you like Yuiichi Tate and Shiho Munakata. Or that you like the Hime manga, in which, among other changes, Natsuki is pursuing Yuuichi instead of a [[Celibate Hero]] who may return Shizuru's feelings for her. Or any of the ''Negima'' anime adaptations (other than the Ala Alba/Another World [[OVA|OVAs]]). On second thought, you'd better not, for your own sake.

* Just try to go into any ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima]]'' or ''[[My-HiME]]'' fan board and say you don't like Natsuki/Shizuru and/or Konoka/Setsuna pairings, regardless of your overall sexual views. Or that you like Yuiichi Tate and Shiho Munakata. Or that you like the Hime manga, in which, among other changes, Natsuki is pursuing Yuuichi instead of a [[Celibate Hero]] who may return Shizuru's feelings for her. Or any of the ''Negima'' anime adaptations (other than the Ala Alba/Another World [[OVA|OVAs]]). On second thought, you'd better not, for your own sake.

** Heaven help you if you bring up ''Negima'''s [[Live Action Adaptation]]...

* How do you properly pronounce [[Dragon Ball|Saiyan]] again? This question can be used to unlock the gates of Hell.

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* Thanks to Gorespammer's ''long'' trolling/reverse-trolling campaign, it has become virtually impossible to seriously discuss ''[[Bakemonogatari]]'' on /a/.

** As well as questioning the state of anime and how it has gotten "stale". You will be considered pathetic.

* Also Visual Novel Adaptations like ''[[Clannad]]'' and ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' are impossible to discuss without an image spammer scouring the thread.

* Also Visual Novel Adaptations like ''[[Clannad (visual novel)|Clannad]]'' and ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' are impossible to discuss without an image spammer scouring the thread.

* When ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' was adapted from a series of sound novels into an anime, it was received pretty negatively among fans of the original. Just try and go on any forum or even [[YouTube]] comments and mention that you thought the anime was alright. Or better yet, say that the anime is ''superior'' than the sound novels, or anything positive about Studio Deen.

** ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'' gets hit with this too, but not as often or intensely.

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** Also, never EVER ask if Nathan aka Fire Emblem is [[Transsexualism]] or not. It's for your own sake.

* [[Moe]] as a whole has become one of the most divisive topics of discussion within the anime fan/otaku community in the last decade. Is it a genre? An aesthetic? Both? Neither? Many fans of more action-oriented fare have come to hate moe (and the closely related [[Harem Genre|harem]] and [[Slice of Life]] shows that have become very popular among a sizeable segment of the otaku community) for [[Ruined FOREVER|"ruining modern anime"]] and act as though moe shows are the worst thing that's ever happened to anime or, in extreme cases, humanity as a whole. And let's not even get into the big question: whether moe encourages the objectification and submission of women (and is thus misogynistic) or not. Of course, many of the people who do claim it's misogynistic are the same people who loudly praise more action-oriented and/or plot-heavy fare, so some of its loudest critics on the misogyny topic may really just be pissed off about there not being as many action or shows as they'd like...

** [http://thegreyghost.net/2011/05/03/method-to-madness-podcast-clannad This review] of ''[[Clannad]]'' is a good example of the above overlap between the people who cry misogyny and the "pissed off action anime fans complaining about shows that lack explosions" communities. The same site has heeps of praise for more action-oriented anime, some of which have their share of misogyny...

** [http://thegreyghost.net/2011/05/03/method-to-madness-podcast-clannad This review] of ''[[Clannad (visual novel)|Clannad]]'' is a good example of the above overlap between the people who cry misogyny and the "pissed off action anime fans complaining about shows that lack explosions" communities. The same site has heeps of praise for more action-oriented anime, some of which have their share of misogyny...

* Say that you do NOT necessarily think ''[[Revolutionary Girl Utena]]'' is the most important, groundbreaking, perfect, complex and '''''unique''''' [[Shoujo]] series ever. Prepare to be slain by the ''Utena'' fandom.

** Try bringing up the '''four''' different ''Utena'' canons: the TV series, the manga by Chiho Saitou, the ''Adolescence Mokushiroku'' movie, and the manga based on [[The Movie]]. Within seconds, fans that support one of these medias will try to murder the fans who prefer the others. In particular, may God help you if you happen to prefer the first manga over the series; in fact, having a positive opinion of Saitou at all can get you slapped by those who think she's a homophobic so-and-so.