Military Mashup Machine: Difference between revisions

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** One proposed German design featured ''a pair of battlecruiser cannon''. It's none other than the [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=293 Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte] (Literally "Rat"; the fact that they called it "land cruiser" rather than "tank" is in and of itself telling). Wanna know what it would have looked like? [http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/mauspic/ratte100.jpg Have fun]. Note the soldier standing on top for scale.

*** Oh, it gets worse/better than that. Around the same time as the Ratte, they were also working on the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster, which would've been ''even bigger'', with a ''[http://paradiselost522.250free.com/dora_color.jpg Dora gun]'' mounted on it. Fortunately for the Axis (and to a ''much'' lesser extent, the Allies), Albert Speer realized how idiotic both projects were and canceled them.

* A slightly more modest concept was "put more weapons on it" - to shoot at more targets. The basic idea was to have two machinegun turrets, to fire both right and left while crossing a trench. This wasn't thought out well, because against hard targets you need a strong cannon, while infantry is in cover anyway when you are attacking, trenches are zigzagged (if defenders are competent), and a tank is not supposed to do everything alone either way. The result inevitably was worse than simple specialized designs: too big (easy to hit) and expensive (more limited in numbers) for infantry support and too weak for breakthrough. "More light weapons" works for fast responce rather than quantity - in restrictive terrain where an enemy can pop up anywhere - but again, on specialized vehicles, not battlefield tanks.

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** ~~French~~ [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=~~282~~ ~~Char 2C~~]~~. 69 metric tons~~.

*** Big, but not exactly a land battleship.

** French [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=282 Char 2C]. 69 metric tons. Big, but not exactly a land battleship. One short cannon, 4 machineguns.

** British [[wikipedia:Vickers A1E1 Independent|A1E1]], Medium Mk I, and Medium Mk III,

** The Soviet [http://www.chamtec.com/t35gal.htm T-35] probably qualifies - a veritable Games Workshop Tank with five turrets, but about as much use as you might expect. This one got into series, though soon canceled as obsolete.

*** This was based on the Earlier British [[wikipedia:Vickers A1E1 Independent|A1E1]], which was about as successful. Nor was the t-35 the only offshoot, for the Russians also built the T-28 and T-100, the British built the Medium Mk I, and Medium Mk III, and even the Germans got in on the act with the Neubaufahrzeug, though having a greater presence of mind, cancelled the idea soon after.

** Even the Germans got in on the act with the Neubaufahrzeug, though having a greater presence of mind, cancelled the idea soon after.

*** The Soviet [[wikipedia:T-28|T-28]], nicknamed ''Postivaunu'' (Stagecoach) by Finns in [[Winter War]]. Formidable three-turreted monster, but an abysmal failure in practise.

** The Soviet [[wikipedia:T-28|T-28]], nicknamed ''Postivaunu'' (Stagecoach) by Finns in [[Winter War]]. Formidable three-turreted monster, but an abysmal failure in practise. The follow-up [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=346 T-35] was a veritable Games Workshop Tank with five turrets (reused from already produced tank designs, in different variants), but about as much use as you might expect. This one got into series, but soon canceled as obsolete. Their roles were split between [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=254 T-26] (mass produced infantry support tank), KV series (heavy) and T-34 (medium - reinforcing lighter or beefing up heavier forces rather than specialized).

== [[Tabletop Games]] ==

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** In the sequel, all of the Cybran ships can do that, with the right research.

* ''[[Command & Conquer]]'s'' Global Defense Initiative is ''in love'' with Land Battleships, typically in the form of their Mammoth Tanks, which are so huge and durable they can run over ''other'' tanks. In the ''Kane's Wrath'' expansion, GDI also gains the MARV, which is an even ''bigger'' mobile treaded deathmobile with ''three'' railguns, garrissionable infantry bunkers, and the ability to consume entire Tiberium fields instantly.

** ''Red Alert 3'' does one better, with ''amphibious battleships.'' Not a battleship-sized tank on treads, but a literal [http://~~portal~~.~~commandandconquer~~.com/~~portal~~/site/redalert/template.MAXIMIZE/factions_en/?javax.portlet.tpst=887f789b1e9f05362087dce7b100cda0_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_887f789b1e9f05362087dce7b100cda0_viewID=proxy_view_secondary&javax.portlet.prp_887f789b1e9f05362087dce7b100cda0_wcproxyurl=http%253A%252F%252Flocalhost%253A8080%252FSiteAssets%252Ffactions%252FAssault_Destroyer.html battleship on treads.]

** ''Red Alert 3'' does one better, with ''amphibious battleships.'' Not a battleship-sized tank on treads, but a literal [http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Assault_destroyer battleship on treads.]

** See [[Supreme Commander]]'s Salem-Class, above.

* The Marmotah from ''[[Valkyria Chronicles]]'' fits this trope to a T.

** So does the Batomys.

* ''[[Noitu Love|Noitu Love 2]]'' has one as its [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK37gN7kCwQ very first boss]. Humorously, when defeated, it sinks despite being fought ''on a city street''.

* ''[[Armored Core]]: For Answer'' hinges on destroying incredibly [[Humongous Mecha]] that are land (and sometimes air or water) battleships. The gigantic carrier-type beasts are oversized and difficult to control. They are, however, valuable in that they project an obscene amount of power into an area, and can move to another area relatively easily. They are also extraordinarily frightening to fight: when the ten-meter tall mech that you're piloting isn't as big as the ''smallest gun'' on the carrier, you ''know'' you're in trouble.~~<br~~ ~~/><br />~~The corporations which deploy them appreciate that [[Crew of One|no one person can control them]]. As oppossed to the [[Humongous Mecha]] such as the one piloted by the protagonist.

* ''[[Armored Core]]: For Answer'' hinges on destroying incredibly [[Humongous Mecha]] that are land (and sometimes air or water) battleships. The gigantic carrier-type beasts are oversized and difficult to control. They are, however, valuable in that they project an obscene amount of power into an area, and can move to another area relatively easily. They are also extraordinarily frightening to fight: when the ten-meter tall mech that you're piloting isn't as big as the ''smallest gun'' on the carrier, you ''know'' you're in trouble. The corporations which deploy them appreciate that [[Crew of One|no one person can control them]]. As oppossed to the [[Humongous Mecha]] such as the one piloted by the protagonist.

* ''[[Tales of the Abyss]]'' gives us a literal land dreadnought, the Tartarus.

* In ''[[Chrome Hounds]]'', there's the Tarakian Unidentified Weapon, "M-99 Super Patriot". It is literally a Modern-day Supertanker (you know, the giant, 5 mile long ocean going ship), loaded down with [[BFG|giant (triple barreled) cannons]], [[Kill It with Fire|flamethrowers]], and [[Guns Akimbo|lots]] [[More Dakka|and lots]] [[Gatling Good|of gatling guns]]. It also is a mobile HQ for enemy forces- and launches a bottomless supply of enemy [[Goddamn Bats|ACVs]].

* ''[[Area 88|U.N. Squadron]]'' - Land carriers are used for a few bosses.

* The ''Call to Power'' series has Leviathans, enormous, heavily armed with most weapons of that particular period in that game, but extremely slow moving. In game, the unit is more powerful in every combat statistic than every other unit, but can only move one square per turn, even on roads. Fusion tanks in the same series might also apply.

* The ''[[Civilization]]: Call to Power'' series has Leviathans, enormous, heavily armed with most weapons of that particular period in that game, but extremely slow moving. In game, the unit is more powerful in every combat statistic than every other unit, but can only move one square per turn, even on roads. Fusion tanks in the same series might also apply.

* The arcade game series ''Raiden'' is chock-full of these, to the extent that in the later games, even the [[Mooks]] are a good example of the "smaller" types.

** The Stage 4 boss in the original is a mobile [[Temple of Doom]].

* Cocoon in ''[[Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker]]'' is basically a battleship mounted on treads, complete with a hedgehog.

* ~~The~~ screen-filling supertank bosses (called "Think Tanks" in the manual) ~~in ''Iron Tank''~~.

* In ''Iron Tank'', the screen-filling supertank bosses (called "Think Tanks" in the manual).

* The final stage of ''[[Battle Garegga]]'' has a giant land-based aircraft carrier.

* ''[[Starcraft II]]'' has the Odin, a prototype [[Humongous Mecha]] that is practically indestructible and can tear apart entire bases single-handedly. Its impracticality is [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] by Raynor's engineers, who design the scaled-down Thor based on it.

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** The German ''[[wikipedia:Seeteufel|Seeteufel]]'' design was an odd take on the "amphibious tank" concept, being practically a mini-submarine with tank threads. Proposed armament consisted of two torpedoes and a machine gun or a flamethrower. Not a practical design by any metric, but imagine the look on the Allied troops' faces when one of these would crawl up from a lake and start spouting flames at them.

** Don't forget that the Japanese also used them, although [[wikipedia:Type 2 Ka-Mi|theirs]] [[wikipedia:Type 3 Ka-Chi|floated]] rather than driving submerged.

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** The first amphibious tank actually produced in series: Soviet [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=565 T-37A].

** The [[wikipedia:PT-76|PT-76]] is probably the most successful of modern amphibious tanks.

*** Arguably, its biggest success is in being cheap, lightweight, and armored enough to serve as an universal chassis for the whole lot of other Soviet vehicles, from self-propelled artillery to SAM launchers, adding more to its [[Military Mashup Machine]] status.

*** The [[wikipedia:PT-76|PT-76]] is probably the most successful of modern amphibious tanks. Arguably, its biggest success is in being cheap, lightweight, and armored enough to serve as an universal chassis for the whole lot of other Soviet vehicles, from self-propelled artillery to SAM launchers, adding more to its [[Military Mashup Machine]] status.

*** So... In Soviet Russia, water is full of Tank? [http://www.perekop.ru/history/nord-crimea-1941-172sd/attachment/perekop-1941-t37-tanks/ Sometimes] it [http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7070048 is].

*** so, what you're saying is that In Soviet Russia, water full of Tank?

**** [http://www.perekop.ru/history/nord-crimea-1941-172sd/attachment/perekop-1941-t37-tanks/ Sometimes] [http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/010/001/252522462.jpg it] [http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7070048 is]. Though [http://www.diorama.ru/forum/files/thumbs/t_pantera_svastika.jpg not always] the same [http://mk-armour.narod.ru/2003/b_02/Photo_36.jpg way].

== Amphibious Jet Fighter ==

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== Web Original ==

* Courtesy of [[The Onion]]: the [http://www.theonion.com/video/obama-axes-pentagon-plan-to-build-billion-dollar-t,14351/ Dragon Tank].

* ''[http://~~shirtoid~~.com~~/50012~~/swiss-army/ Swiss Army]'' tank by Glenn Jones.

* ''[http://blog.glennz.com/swiss-army/ Swiss Army]'' tank by Glenn Jones.

== [[Real Life]] ==