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*** Alya's reaction to [[Stalker with a Crush|Marinette knowing Adrien's schedule]]. Is she joking when she said Marinette is insane or was she genuinely freaked out? Marinette, at least, seems to think it's the former considering her reaction.

** In 'Gamer', was Max really mad that Marinette won because she was a girl or was it because he's just a [[Sore Loser]], gender notwithstanding? Alternatively, he was sad because Marinette took his spot from the tournament [[Hard Work Hardly Works|he worked so hard to gain]], when he probably thought at best, she wouldn't get close or at worst, replace Adrien.

** Is the thing on Reflekta's head meant to be hair or a helmet?

* [[Ass Pull]]: The later established [[Glamour]] for many. Since not only are they shown to recognize the other's voice when they're not in costume, but there's are several points where they are almost thought to be Ladybug and Chat Noir, but something else stops the person from thinking that. Notable examples are: sometimes when Chloe cosplays as Ladybug, she wears a wig akin to Marinette's hair and the whole episode of 'Frightingale' where it's a plot point that Adrien and Marinette are scared to wear the masks to the Chat Noir and Ladybug costumes for Clara's music video because then people will realize how similar to them they look and possibly figure out the truth.

* [[Base Breaker]]: To her fans, Marinette is seen as a sweet angelic being who deserves the world. To her detractors, she is [[Stalker with a Crush|stalkerish]] [[Designated Hero|designated hero]] who is creepy towards her crush and mean towards anyone she sees as an obstacle to her getting with Adrien. Her stepping away from her fangirl tendencies and befriending Kagami has [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap|gotten her some fans]], however some still don't like her either because they can't let go of her past actions or that she still shows Designated Hero tendencies occasionally. Some fans just don't like how the show treats her actions as justifiable or how her fans treat anyone who treats her with a tiny bit of animosity gets a glut of [[Revenge Fic|Revenge fics]] made about them.

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** Season 3 through 5 haven't been received well by fans for a multitude of reasons ([[Locked Out of the Loop|Adrien/Chat being reduced more and more]], Chloe losing her [[Character Development]] and becoming worse as the seasons went on, Felix and especially [[Abusive Parents|Gabriel]] becoming [[Karma Houdini]]s, '''everything''' about [[Replacement Scrappy|Zoe]], etc). Many wish the show would've ended at season 2 or at least that the later seasons would've been severely rewritten.

** As far as Chloe's fans know, the [[Face Heel Turn]] she made as well as the other awful actions she did in the later seasons '''never happened'''.

** Similarly, as far as they know (though it isn't just Chloe fans who think this) Zoe [[Ret-Gone|doesn't exist]]. And even if she does, she almost never gets the Bee miraculous or any miraculous for that matter.

** The statue scene from 'Puppeteer 2' is disliked for how creepy it is by detractors and fans alike because Marinette sniffs and is generally creepy. 'Determination' made this worse by revealing it's when Adrien fell in love with her.

** The whole episode of 'Derision' due to how demonized Kim is as well as the [[Ass Pull|horrible explanation]] for Marinette's stalkerish tendencies. Essentially it's because of a horrible prank by Kim that traumatized Marinette, however we never see her get PTSD from this event in earlier seasons plus she is able to act normal (well, more normal than herself when she's with Adrien) when she's with her other crushes (i.e Luka and Chat Noir).

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** Alec is Manon's father. The evidence is he's the only other TV personality on the show, that, like [[Ambiguously Brown|Manon]], is dark-skinned and he and Nadja do seem to be on good terms.

** A few fans headcanon the reason Marinette (or whoever has the ladybug miraculous in fanfiction) had the book is because she was using the Ladybug Miraculous to get back home from school faster or she was using it for personal reasons. The evidence being we don't see Chat Noir with her, the book is the real deal and not a polka dotted lucky charm, and Marinette when watching the video doesn't mention an akuma.

** Nino and Chris have neglectful parents hence why Nino is always taking care of Chris and why he was so quick to take the actions of Gabriel in "The Bubbler" and apply it to every adult.

** Some fanfics that rewrite the episode 'Rogercop' provide an explanation for why Adrien had to manually remove Plagg from Chloé's bracelet instead of allowing Plagg to phase through it, as he had done on numerous occasions in the past. According to these fanfics, the reason behind this is because Chloe's bracelet is some magic artifact (the specifics often depend of the writer).

* [[Fashion Victim Villain]]: Granted half the time, it's deliberate. However other times, the villain in question is supposed to be intimidating or at least taken seriously, they look too ridiculous for the audience to do so.

* [[Friendly Fandoms]]: With the ''Batman'' franchise (namely thanks to [[Crossover Ship|MariBat]]). Though with how much fan works it has to the point people who are looking for either fanfic of one them have to filter them out the other (or just try and avoid them all together in some fic sites' cases) and several fics are also [[Revenge Fic|'salt']] fics of this show, there is some [[Fandom Rivalry]] there as well.

* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]: Or [[Hilarious in Hindsight|Hilarious]], depends on how you see it. The episode 'Animan' starts with Adrien teasingly saying Marinette would never find in love with a statue, a certain scene in 'Puppeteer 2' would beg to differ.