Moral Event Horizon/Anime and Manga: Difference between revisions

** Gambino, Guts's gruff mentor/father figure, loses all our sympathy after he sells Guts, who was just [[Harmful to Minors|eight years old at the time]], to a paedophile soldier named Donovan for three silver coins. Particularly when we learn Gambino's reason for it immediately before Guts kills him in self-defense -- he called Guts "disgusting" and felt that he "can't be raised to be loyal like a dog," since Gambino blamed the kid for the death of his lover Shisu from the plague.

** {{spoiler|Reika}} arguably crosses the line when {{spoiler|unbeknownst to everyone else, she passes up the chance to revive a dead player and has Gantz create a duplicate of Kurono, simply because [[Yandere (disambiguation)|she couldn't get over him.]]}}

** For some, he irreparably crossed the line when he {{spoiler|killed Hughes}} after turning into {{spoiler|his wife Gracia}} to keep him from striking back, and triggering some of the series' biggest [[Tear Jerker|Tear Jerkers]].

*** And [[Eviler Than Thou|he's still outdone]] by his ''even more'' [[Evil Counterpart]], Szayel Aporro Ganz. Not only he takes delight on torturing Renji and the aforementioned Ishida slowly and painfully, but when Kurotsuchi and his lieutenant Nemu arrive to face him, just as Kurotsuchi is about to defeat him he {{spoiler|grabs a captured Nemu, ''rapes'' her with tentacles to forcibly impregnate her, and kills the poor girl (one of the biggest [[The Woobie|Woobies]] on the whole [[Bleach]], natch) after emerging from her body, leaving an empty husk.}} This is so [[Squick|squicky]] and cruel that a good part of the fandom saw {{spoiler|the [[Fate Worse Than Death]] that Kurotsuchi dealt to him}} ''[[Kick the Son of a Bitch|as something to cheer for]]''.

* Light Yagami of ''[[Death Note]]'' has his at varying points in the story, his first coming very early in the story when he kills Lind L. Tailor. They just get more and more extreme until {{spoiler|after [[Yandere (disambiguation)|Kiyomi Takada]], his former girlfriend and now follower, kills Mello. She calls him from Mello's truck, naked, crying and terrified. He coldly tells her to continue writing as many names as she can, and hangs up. Then, as the task force is driving to find her, Light writes on the piece in his watch that the poor girl dies ''by burning to death'', so that all the evidence is destroyed.}} If Light still had fans by that point, they were gone after that.

* Quite a few ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho]]'' villains have fun crossing the horizon, some of them being [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]]. Three of them are particularly extreme examples, though all of them get what's coming to them.

** Also, Haguro beat his subordinate Chiba within an inch of his life, biting off his tongue, and then raping him for good measure to the point that Chiba ends up dying from a combination of ruptured organs, blood loss, and broken ribs. {{spoiler|Thankfully, Inugami gave Chiba some of his blood which ended up bringing Chiba back to life}}. Why did Haguro do such a thing? Because Chiba ended up encountering Inugami out on the streets and talked to him for maybe 15 minutes when Haguro wasn't around. Haguro is [[Yandere (disambiguation)]] for Inugami's werewolf form, you see.

* ''[[Highschool of the Dead]]'' has quite a few, but some of the worst offenders are from the secondary and tertiary characters. One incident sees two [[Red Shirt|Red Shirts]], Misuzu Ichijo and Toshimi Niki, running through the halls of their zombie-infested school, [[Holding Hands]] together and saying they'll survive together because they're BFFs. Not even five seconds later, [[Too Dumb to Live|Toshimi literally runs into a horde of zombies]] and begs Misuzu to pull her away from them, only to have her hand remorselessly pried off. As Misuzu watches Toshimi get devoured, [[Karmic Death|she stumbles back into ''another'' group of zombies behind her]], [[Off With Her Head|and her head is crushed just as quickly]]. Although in the anime, [[Heel Face Door Slam|she may have regretted her action just before her own death]].

* {{spoiler|Grace O'Connor}} in ''[[Macross Frontier]]'' has a number of candidates, with conducting painful, potentially instantly fatal, and certainly eventually fatal experiments {{spoiler|on a seven year old girl}} probably close to the top of the list. Made worse when they call the {{spoiler|little girl}} Subject {{spoiler|Fairy-Nine}} and [[Fridge Logic]] sets in with "Wait, what happened to {{spoiler|fairies one through eight?"}} ''Even then'' one of the drama [[CD|CDs]] suggests an opening for redemption with {{spoiler|Grace when she realizes that in the ten years she spent practically raising that girl (The girl's name is spoiler:Sheryl Nome) she's developed strong feelings for her, no longer just "Fairy-Nine" but "her little fairy". She decides that the feelings will get in the way of their plan, so she deletes them with cybernetics}} in one of the most subtle crossings of the [[Moral Event Horizon]] ever.

*** Char also crossed it by [[Manipulative Bastard|cruelly manipulating]] his teenaged subordinates Quess Paraya and Gyunei Guss's feelings for his own purposes in CCA. [[Love Hurts|So Quess has a crush on Char while Gyunei has one on Quess?]] Char gives [[Yandere (disambiguation)|the emotionally/mentally unstable]] and thus [[Unwitting Pawn|easy to manipulate]] Quess false hopes about her being the ''only'' woman he loves and cares for (despite his own feelings for Lalah Sune ''and'' his current relationship with his subordinate/lover Nanai), then behind Quess's back he tells the recently pumped-up Gyunei that he should take Quess off his hands and have a shot at her after the next battle-- without any regards to their own mental/emotional states. (And lest we forget: Gyunei was an [[Tyke Bomb|Artificial Newtype]] [[Parental Substitute|raised by Char]] after a [[Colony Drop]], and Quess had just become one via having her own borner Newtype talents artificially enhanced, with all the horrifying health and mental problems implied). [[It Got Worse|It works as well as it's expected.]]

* Ren Sohma from ''[[Fruits Basket]]'' actually crossed this ''before the story took place'', by {{spoiler|threatening to have an abortion if she wasn't allowed to raise her baby as a male. That baby? She'd become Akito Sohma, the [[Big Bad]] of the story.}} The factors that make this even worse than {{spoiler|Akito}}'s constant [[Kick the Dog|puppy punting]] (which include ''many'' acts that qualify as borderline MEH crossing themselves) are: the extremely '''petty''' reasoning behind it {{spoiler|(jealousy and hatred towards her unborn daughter due to how happy her huband Akira was about becoming a father)}} as and how {{spoiler|forcibly raising Akito as a male would be Akito's [[Start of Darkness]] as well as the beginning of Ren's ceaseless abuse against her, eventually driving Aito to become the [[Manipulative Bitch]] [[Yandere (disambiguation)]] that we [[Love to Hate]].}} In few, Ren's horribly selfish and cruel action was actually the reason behind, like, {{spoiler|''almost all of the terrible crap that would befall the Sohma clan as a whole''.}} Mind you, {{spoiler|Akito}} is NOT an angel, and yet in perspective {{spoiler|she}} comes off as a lesser evil since it's Ren who {{spoiler|poisoned her with a good part of the hatred she spills towards others.}}

** Some people believe that {{spoiler|the [[Face Heel Turn|Face Heel Turned]] Kanba}} also crossed the line by {{spoiler|becoming the KIGA leader and orchestrating the Teddydrum bombings}} ''and'' by {{spoiler|participating in Sanetoshi's almost murder of Ringo to destroy the Diary.}}

* In ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' [[Abusive Parents|Rosa Ushiromiya]] either seriously kicks the puppy or downright crosses this when she {{spoiler|rips Sakutaro in half}}. Though it seemed minor at first, you would recall that ''she'' gave Maria the stuffed lion in the first place, and that Maria considered (or made) him real, and that he was probably her only friend. She also "kills" one of the Siesta sisters, though inadvertently when she threw her on the ground. And often at times where she slaps Maria. Yes, you should show your child discipline, but when you take it too far, it is just abuse. And she often claims to have to go to work, but in reality, she goes to spend the night with one of her boyfriends -- leaving she would often leave Maria home alone, often to the point where she would have to go out and get her own food. She even left one boyfriend when he told her to spend her time with her daughter. But what ultimately made her cross the horizon would have to be when she told Maria that she never loved her and wished for her to have died, so that she would have a happy life. She even tells her to ''go to Hell.'' Though, given her status as a [[Tragic Villain]], a victim of abuse and bullying from her own siblings and her father (which Rudolf actually aknowledges), the local [[Chew Toy]], or [[Alternate Character Interpretation|most likely just stressed at work]], she might subvert this trope. Though, you wouldn't forget that [[Hot Witch|Beatrice]] was [[Even Evil Has Standards|disgusted]] by her behavior.

** Bernkastel does truly horrible things, but in EP7, she shows Lion Ushiromiya the miracle of his/her existence, and then proceeds to force Lion and Ange to watch a horrible scenario in which Ange's parents are the murderers. Ange is unable to handle this, and as such she is once again torn to pieces. When Lion tries to give Bernkastel a What the Hell, Hero? speech, Bernkastel shows Lion his/her eventual fate- being massacred along with the rest of the family on October 4th and 5th, just like in all the other universes. Bernkastel laughs at Lion's fate, and she is unwilling to let Lion escape.

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