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[[File:real-women-dont-wear-dresses_silent-hill_5621.png|link=Silent Hill (film)|frame| Guess which of these women is the tough, competent one.]]
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A woman is shown as weak, incompetent, and ineffectual in this trope unless she dresses and behaves like a man. A common variation on this is to present a woman as superior because she's "not like other women." Another variation is a [[Tomboy and Girly Girl]] scenario, where the tomboy is presented as superior.
A woman is shown as weak, incompetent, and ineffectual in this trope unless she dresses and behaves like a man. A common variation on this is to present a woman as superior because she's "not like other women." Another variation is a [[Tomboy and Girly Girl]] scenario, where the tomboy is presented as superior.
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***Aaaaand there's also how it's ''Rose's'' fault that she and her baby were kidnapped by Dante, and Rose herself almost ended up as [[Grand Theft Me|Dante's next host]]. Yeah, try being a young woman without fighting/alchemist abilities and with a little baby on tow... how on Amestris would you singlehandedly get free from ''that''?!
***Aaaaand there's also how it's ''Rose's'' fault that she and her baby were kidnapped by Dante, and Rose herself almost ended up as [[Grand Theft Me|Dante's next host]]. Yeah, try being a young woman without fighting/alchemist abilities and with a little baby on tow... how on Amestris would you singlehandedly get free from ''that''?!
**Believe it or not, even Riza is sometimes a victim of this. The "[[Chickification]]! Stupid weak bitch! How dare you cry, STOP WHINING!" cries that were spit at her when she ''dared'' to show despair and almost give up after believing that her commander and [[Love Interest]] [[Colonel Badass|Roy]] was dead were a sight to behold.
**Believe it or not, even Riza is sometimes a victim of this. The "[[Chickification]]! Stupid weak bitch! How dare you cry, STOP WHINING!" cries that were spit at her when she ''dared'' to show despair and almost give up after believing that her commander and [[Love Interest]] [[Colonel Badass|Roy]] was dead were a sight to behold.
*Miaka from ''[[Fushigi Yuugi]]'' gets hit with this a lot. Okay, so ''can'' she can be quite [[The Ditz]], she isn't the best in her class, [[Distress Ball|she ''does'' have to be rescued by others occasionally ]], and she is a [[Big Eater]]; but according to her haters, she is "extremely stupid", "very weak", "always has to be rescued" and "has every guy in love with her", despite the fact that only four or five guys at ''most'' feel that way about her, and certainly not the entirety of the Suzaku Seven. Meanwhile, her [[Plucky Girl]] qualities get completely ignored for the sake of the aforementioned bashing. There's a reason why she is used as the icon for the "Hated Characters" group from [[Live Journal]], you know.
*Miaka from ''[[Fushigi Yuugi]]'' gets hit with this a lot. Okay, so ''can'' she can be quite [[The Ditz]], she isn't the best in her class, [[Distress Ball|she ''does'' have to be rescued by others occasionally]], and she is a [[Big Eater]]; but according to her haters, she is "extremely stupid", "very weak", "always has to be rescued" and "has every guy in love with her", despite the fact that only four or five guys at ''most'' feel that way about her, and certainly not the entirety of the Suzaku Seven. Meanwhile, her [[Plucky Girl]] qualities get completely ignored for the sake of the aforementioned bashing. There's a reason why she is used as the icon for the "Hated Characters" group from [[Live Journal]], you know.
**It gets worse. Fans of the prequel series ''[[Fushigi Yuugi Genbu Kaiden]]'' love to crow on about how Takiko is superior to Miaka in every way for being a "strong" and "mature" [[Action Girl]] who can take care of herself. This would be annoying enough by itself (for starters, the fans forget that Takiko is both older than Miaka ''and'' [[The Roaring Twenties|from an earlier]] [[Imperial Japan|time period]], so she'll naturally be more mature because of the culture she grew up in) but a few people have gone as far as to say they'd be ''personally offended'' if Takiko dies at the end of ''Genbu Kaiden'' while Miaka got to live and be with Tamahome... even though that's a [[Foregone Conclusion]] ''as indicated in the original manga''! That's right, there are fans who want to see a [[Retcon]] ''solely'' because they hate Miaka and love Takiko so much. [[Fan Dumb|Make of that what you will.]]
**It gets worse. Fans of the prequel series ''[[Fushigi Yuugi Genbu Kaiden]]'' love to crow on about how Takiko is superior to Miaka in every way for being a "strong" and "mature" [[Action Girl]] who can take care of herself. This would be annoying enough by itself (for starters, the fans forget that Takiko is both older than Miaka ''and'' [[The Roaring Twenties|from an earlier]] [[Imperial Japan|time period]], so she'll naturally be more mature because of the culture she grew up in) but a few people have gone as far as to say they'd be ''personally offended'' if Takiko dies at the end of ''Genbu Kaiden'' while Miaka got to live and be with Tamahome... even though that's a [[Foregone Conclusion]] ''as indicated in the original manga''! That's right, there are fans who want to see a [[Retcon]] ''solely'' because they hate Miaka and love Takiko so much. [[Fan Dumb|Make of that what you will.]]
*There's an infamous article in which a Japanese mother bashes ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure]]'' left, right and center for having cute heroines, putting them in skirts, and advertising dolls for them. She also claims that her daughter is already tainted by the patriarchy because she likes the color pink...
*There's an infamous article in which a Japanese mother bashes ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure]]'' left, right and center for having cute heroines, putting them in skirts, and advertising dolls for them. She also claims that her daughter is already tainted by the patriarchy because she likes the color pink...
*Mikan from ''[[Gakuen Alice]]'' gets shit for similar reasons to the previously-mentioned Lucy from ''[[Fairy Tail]]''. So instead of beating up Natsume, Hotaru and others for their treatment of her, she decided to apparently take it, while resolving to start strenghtening herself so they would stop calling her weak? [[Sarcasm Mode|Urgh, what a stupid]] [[Extreme Doormat]] [[Sarcasm Mode|bitch and ''bad'' role model for little girls she is,]] ''[http://caithyra.insanejournal.com/31553.html indeed]''.
*Mikan from ''[[Gakuen Alice]]'' gets shit for similar reasons to the previously-mentioned Lucy from ''[[Fairy Tail]]''. So instead of beating up Natsume, Hotaru and others for their treatment of her, she decided to apparently take it, while resolving to start strenghtening herself so they would stop calling her weak? [[Sarcasm Mode|Urgh, what a stupid]] [[Extreme Doormat]] [[Sarcasm Mode|bitch and ''bad'' role model for little girls she is,]] ''[http://caithyra.insanejournal.com/31553.html indeed]''.
*The ''[[Inuyasha]]'' fandom was literally up in arms with RAEG when the [[Grand Finale]] revealed that Sango was [[Happily Married]] to Miroku ''and'' was the mother of their three kids. Nevermind that she had ''just given birth'' to their youngest, that Sango actually ''lost'' her whole family ''very'' early in the story (except for Kohaku, but the deal with the poor boy was ''[[Brainwashed and Crazy|a whole other bag of cats]]'') ''and'' that she had willingly agreed to marry Miroku (AKA Mr. "Please Bear My Child") quite a while ago, already knowing ''exactly'' what she was getting into and what to expect from her soon-to-be [[Handsome Lech]] husband, the [[Fan Dumb|Fan Dumb's]] cries of "SANGO GOT TURNED INTO A STUPID BABY POPPER" and "TAKAHASHI IS SEXIIIIIIIST!" were heard from miles away.
*The ''[[Inuyasha]]'' fandom was literally up in arms with RAEG when the [[Grand Finale]] revealed that Sango was [[Happily Married]] to Miroku ''and'' was the mother of their three kids. Nevermind that she had ''just given birth'' to their youngest, that Sango actually ''lost'' her whole family ''very'' early in the story (except for Kohaku, but the deal with the poor boy was ''[[Brainwashed and Crazy|a whole other bag of cats]]'') ''and'' that she had willingly agreed to marry Miroku (AKA Mr. "Please Bear My Child") quite a while ago, already knowing ''exactly'' what she was getting into and what to expect from her soon-to-be [[Handsome Lech]] husband, the [[Fan Dumb|Fan Dumb's]] cries of "SANGO GOT TURNED INTO A STUPID BABY POPPER" and "TAKAHASHI IS SEXIIIIIIIST!" were heard from miles away.
**And before ''that'', there were fans who called Kagome "weak" and "useless" because she didn't ''immediately'' begin kicking ass when she first dropped into [[Jidai Geki|Feudal Japan]] like Sango did in her first appearance, and - le gasp! - [[Neutral Female|needed to be rescued from some monsters]] by [[The Hero|Inuyasha]]. Never mind that Kagome was an [[Ordinary High School Student]] who most likely wouldn't have prior monster-slaying experience, unlike Sango, who was ''specifically trained'' for it, or that Inuyasha [[Sealed Badass in a Can|wouldn't even have been released from the tree]] were it not for her, or that she ''did'' develop into a true [[Action Girl]] over the course of the series; she's not the [[Action Girl]] paragon that Sango (who, incidentally, is constantly seen [[Silk Hiding Steel| wearing very feminine kimonos outside of combat]] ''and'' [[Hime Cut|has extremely long and femininely-worn hair]]) is! She's also been derided as "emo" and "whiny" by fans who take offense to her actually being ''affected'' by the fact that her past self Kikyo has been resurrected and has proven herself to be better than Kagome in many things, even though she pretty much stopped angsting after the volume where Inuyasha told her that he didn't think of her as Kikyo's replacement; or even as a "slut/whore" by those who accuse her of flirting with every guy that crosses her path, even though she never showed anything more than friendly respect to any guy who wasn't Inuyasha.
**And before ''that'', there were fans who called Kagome "weak" and "useless" because she didn't ''immediately'' begin kicking ass when she first dropped into [[Jidai Geki|Feudal Japan]] like Sango did in her first appearance, and - le gasp! - [[Neutral Female|needed to be rescued from some monsters]] by [[The Hero|Inuyasha]]. Never mind that Kagome was an [[Ordinary High School Student]] who most likely wouldn't have prior monster-slaying experience, unlike Sango, who was ''specifically trained'' for it, or that Inuyasha [[Sealed Badass in a Can|wouldn't even have been released from the tree]] were it not for her, or that she ''did'' develop into a true [[Action Girl]] over the course of the series; she's not the [[Action Girl]] paragon that Sango (who, incidentally, is constantly seen [[Silk Hiding Steel|wearing very feminine kimonos outside of combat]] ''and'' [[Hime Cut|has extremely long and femininely-worn hair]]) is! She's also been derided as "emo" and "whiny" by fans who take offense to her actually being ''affected'' by the fact that her past self Kikyo has been resurrected and has proven herself to be better than Kagome in many things, even though she pretty much stopped angsting after the volume where Inuyasha told her that he didn't think of her as Kikyo's replacement; or even as a "slut/whore" by those who accuse her of flirting with every guy that crosses her path, even though she never showed anything more than friendly respect to any guy who wasn't Inuyasha.
***What makes it worse is that Kagome was actually the one who dealt the final blow to [[Big Bad|Naraku]] with her arrow.
***What makes it worse is that Kagome was actually the one who dealt the final blow to [[Big Bad|Naraku]] with her arrow.
*Heck, this subset of [[Fan Dumb]] is so ''incredibly'' prominent in anime fandom it's actually been noted as a weird thing and an uncommon [[Averted Trope|aversion]] that the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' fandom has (almost wholly) taken Nanoha [[Retired Badass|going on leave from her military career]] for a long while to become a mother to Vivio incredibly well, as well as the fact that extremely few fans demean Fate Testarossa [[Yamato Nadeshiko|for being a softspoken, motherly, pacifistic, and caring (to the point of being addressed as "Girly Worrywart" in-story) woman]]. Of course, this might be because [[Badass Adorable]] is like half the point of the show, so the intended demographic is by definition perfectly aware one can be cute or feminine and ''still carry a damn big stick''...
*Heck, this subset of [[Fan Dumb]] is so ''incredibly'' prominent in anime fandom it's actually been noted as a weird thing and an uncommon [[Averted Trope|aversion]] that the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' fandom has (almost wholly) taken Nanoha [[Retired Badass|going on leave from her military career]] for a long while to become a mother to Vivio incredibly well, as well as the fact that extremely few fans demean Fate Testarossa [[Yamato Nadeshiko|for being a softspoken, motherly, pacifistic, and caring (to the point of being addressed as "Girly Worrywart" in-story) woman]]. Of course, this might be because [[Badass Adorable]] is like half the point of the show, so the intended demographic is by definition perfectly aware one can be cute or feminine and ''still carry a damn big stick''...
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**And while a part of the Hitomi Shizuki [[Hatedom]] comes from her [[Die for Our Ship|being more assertive in romance than Sayaka]], at least enough to tell Sayaka straightforwardly that she will confess her feelings for Kamijou if Sayaka doesn't take the initiative-''and doing it''-a part of it comes right back to this trope. Apparently being both a girly girl and more honest/outspoken with her thoughts and feelings than a tomboy is forbidden, and if a said girly girl dares "break" that unspoken rule, she's a whore and a bad person.
**And while a part of the Hitomi Shizuki [[Hatedom]] comes from her [[Die for Our Ship|being more assertive in romance than Sayaka]], at least enough to tell Sayaka straightforwardly that she will confess her feelings for Kamijou if Sayaka doesn't take the initiative-''and doing it''-a part of it comes right back to this trope. Apparently being both a girly girl and more honest/outspoken with her thoughts and feelings than a tomboy is forbidden, and if a said girly girl dares "break" that unspoken rule, she's a whore and a bad person.
***And the "feminist fandom" also conveniently "forgets" that Magical Madoka is likely to be the most powerful [[Magical Girl]]...and then become almost instantly ''the most powerful Witch'' as well as the destructor of the Earth. [[Took a Level In Badass|Taking Levels In Badass]] [[Deconstructor Fleet|brings]] ''[[Crapsack World|huge]]'' [[Deconstructed Trope|consequences in this series]], but that particular [[Fan Dumb]] group doesn't seem to give a shit and ''demands'' for Madoka to ignore them so she can "become a strong female character" that fits their inhumanly huge standards of what a "worthy woman" should be. ''Urgh''.
***And the "feminist fandom" also conveniently "forgets" that Magical Madoka is likely to be the most powerful [[Magical Girl]]...and then become almost instantly ''the most powerful Witch'' as well as the destructor of the Earth. [[Took a Level In Badass|Taking Levels In Badass]] [[Deconstructor Fleet|brings]] ''[[Crapsack World|huge]]'' [[Deconstructed Trope|consequences in this series]], but that particular [[Fan Dumb]] group doesn't seem to give a shit and ''demands'' for Madoka to ignore them so she can "become a strong female character" that fits their inhumanly huge standards of what a "worthy woman" should be. ''Urgh''.
***[[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And for that matter, girls young enough to need role models ''probably'' shouldn't be watching]] ''[[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?| Madoka Magica]]'' [[Captain Obvious|in the first place]].
***[[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And for that matter, girls young enough to need role models ''probably'' shouldn't be watching]] ''[[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?|Madoka Magica]]'' [[Captain Obvious|in the first place]].
*What's that, you say? [[Revolutionary Girl Utena|Utena]] is having an identity crisis over whether or not her desire to be a prince is part of her real personality, and what path she should take in life as part of this [[Coming of Age Story]]? Nonsense! [[Double Standard|She's a dumb slut for daring to be attracted to]] [[White-Haired Pretty Boy|Akio]] and lose her virginity to him! Who cares if she's [[Plucky Girl|strong-willed, determined, and does her best to overcome any character faults that would stop her from making the world a better place?]] Because she challenged Saionjii [[Love Letter Lunacy|over her friend's rejected love letter]], but then was affected by Touga's mind games to the point of an [[Heroic BSOD]], [[Fan Dumb|she's just a girly, airheaded]] [[Attention Whore]]! She should soak her uniform in the blood of anyone who dares look at her funny! And yes, there ''are'' Utena fans who follow this line of reasoning, and it's ''exactly'' as depressing as it sounds.
*What's that, you say? [[Revolutionary Girl Utena|Utena]] is having an identity crisis over whether or not her desire to be a prince is part of her real personality, and what path she should take in life as part of this [[Coming of Age Story]]? Nonsense! [[Double Standard|She's a dumb slut for daring to be attracted to]] [[White-Haired Pretty Boy|Akio]] and lose her virginity to him! Who cares if she's [[Plucky Girl|strong-willed, determined, and does her best to overcome any character faults that would stop her from making the world a better place?]] Because she challenged Saionjii [[Love Letter Lunacy|over her friend's rejected love letter]], but then was affected by Touga's mind games to the point of an [[Heroic BSOD]], [[Fan Dumb|she's just a girly, airheaded]] [[Attention Whore]]! She should soak her uniform in the blood of anyone who dares look at her funny! And yes, there ''are'' Utena fans who follow this line of reasoning, and it's ''exactly'' as depressing as it sounds.
**This trope is also behind some of the Anthy-bashing that goes on in the fandom; apparently, it's peachy-keen that Akio manipulates and regularly forces himself on his younger sister, but because she's the recipient of it, she's a horrible role model and a disgrace to the female sex. Nevermind that pretty much all of the [[Character Development]] is based on pointing out that these kinds of attitudes are wrong and actively stop people from changing. [[Fan Dumb|Le Sigh.]]
**This trope is also behind some of the Anthy-bashing that goes on in the fandom; apparently, it's peachy-keen that Akio manipulates and regularly forces himself on his younger sister, but because she's the recipient of it, she's a horrible role model and a disgrace to the female sex. Nevermind that pretty much all of the [[Character Development]] is based on pointing out that these kinds of attitudes are wrong and actively stop people from changing. [[Fan Dumb|Le Sigh.]]
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*Jun the Swan in ''[[Science Ninja Team Gatchaman]]'' is well-liked among the fans, but every now and then is the subject of complaints that her character is "too stereotypically feminine" for having a crush on the hero, being afraid of bugs and liking pretty things. Now to be fair to the dissenters she ''did'' (sadly) fall victim to the era's sexism quite often, but considering this was ''a Japanese series made in the 1970s'', Jun was actually pretty progressive: not only did she get to fight with the guys and is more than capable at knocking goons around, but she was also [[Stuff Blowing Up|an explosives expert]] [[Biker Babe]] ''and'' ran a snack bar at the age of 16. Plus, looking after [[Mouthy Kid|Jinpei]] and his [[Pet Baby Wild Animal]] tendencies [[Captain Obvious|ain't exactly Easy Street]].
*Jun the Swan in ''[[Science Ninja Team Gatchaman]]'' is well-liked among the fans, but every now and then is the subject of complaints that her character is "too stereotypically feminine" for having a crush on the hero, being afraid of bugs and liking pretty things. Now to be fair to the dissenters she ''did'' (sadly) fall victim to the era's sexism quite often, but considering this was ''a Japanese series made in the 1970s'', Jun was actually pretty progressive: not only did she get to fight with the guys and is more than capable at knocking goons around, but she was also [[Stuff Blowing Up|an explosives expert]] [[Biker Babe]] ''and'' ran a snack bar at the age of 16. Plus, looking after [[Mouthy Kid|Jinpei]] and his [[Pet Baby Wild Animal]] tendencies [[Captain Obvious|ain't exactly Easy Street]].
**Ironically, she can't cook. Jinpei does that for her, and most of the cleaning, so it is implied that her stereotypically female domestic skills aren't that great.
**Ironically, she can't cook. Jinpei does that for her, and most of the cleaning, so it is implied that her stereotypically female domestic skills aren't that great.
*In-universe: Kanae, AKA Moko, on ''[[Skip Beat|Skip Beat!]]'' deliberately calls out Kyouko when they meet, only because she perceives Kyouko as a [[Yamato Nadeshiko|"housewife" type of woman] who [[Stay in the Kitchen|shouldn't stay near the show business]]. Even later in the manga, when both have a kind-of-friendship and Kyouko has shown [[Plucky Girl|how scarily competent she can be when acting]], Kanae still feels uncomfortable with Kyouko due her own perceived contradiction between being able of do any domestic chores and being an reputed actress and entertainer. There is a twist though, Kanae also acts as a housewife for her own very large family, as her parents are always traveling and her older brothers are no help, [[Not So Different|seeing Kyoko reminded her of herself]]. Kanae's type of housewifing is more like an extreme sport, and it's kind of easy to understand why is she is so annoyed by it.
*In-universe: Kanae, AKA Moko, on ''[[Skip Beat|Skip Beat!]]'' deliberately calls out Kyouko when they meet, only because she perceives Kyouko as a [[Yamato Nadeshiko|"housewife" type of woman]] who [[Stay in the Kitchen|shouldn't stay near the show business]]. Even later in the manga, when both have a kind-of-friendship and Kyouko has shown [[Plucky Girl|how scarily competent she can be when acting]], Kanae still feels uncomfortable with Kyouko due her own perceived contradiction between being able of do any domestic chores and being an reputed actress and entertainer. There is a twist though, Kanae also acts as a housewife for her own very large family, as her parents are always traveling and her older brothers are no help, [[Not So Different|seeing Kyoko reminded her of herself]]. Kanae's type of housewifing is more like an extreme sport, and it's kind of easy to understand why is she is so annoyed by it.
*Maka Albarn from ''[[Soul Eater]]'' went through rather emotionally-hard experiences in the Envy and Sloth chapters of the Book of Eibon, needing Soul's help (''[[Justified Trope|as any person in her position would]]'') to both pull through it and also to defeat an ultra [[Ax Crazy]] Giriko in full [[Yandere|Yandere-for-Arachne]] mode. According to fandom, though? Aknowledging that bravery isn't the only thing needed to overcome difficulties and that punching evils with the Fist Of Courage isn't the magical key to victory is "''[[Fan Dumb|OMFG SEXIST!!!!]]''". Bet that [[Double Standard|if Soul had been though exactly the same thing]], these "feminists" would cream themselves and call him the biggest [[Woobie]] ever, instead.
*Maka Albarn from ''[[Soul Eater]]'' went through rather emotionally-hard experiences in the Envy and Sloth chapters of the Book of Eibon, needing Soul's help (''[[Justified Trope|as any person in her position would]]'') to both pull through it and also to defeat an ultra [[Ax Crazy]] Giriko in full [[Yandere|Yandere-for-Arachne]] mode. According to fandom, though? Aknowledging that bravery isn't the only thing needed to overcome difficulties and that punching evils with the Fist Of Courage isn't the magical key to victory is "''[[Fan Dumb|OMFG SEXIST!!!!]]''". Bet that [[Double Standard|if Soul had been though exactly the same thing]], these "feminists" would cream themselves and call him the biggest [[Woobie]] ever, instead.
**Not to mention, Death the Kid was a [[Dude in Distress]] and even had a brief [[Face Heel Turn]] ''in that same arc'', but Maka is a weak and stupid bitch because of what happened to ''her'' while they don't say anything about ''him''. [[Double Standard]], indeed...
**Not to mention, Death the Kid was a [[Dude in Distress]] and even had a brief [[Face Heel Turn]] ''in that same arc'', but Maka is a weak and stupid bitch because of what happened to ''her'' while they don't say anything about ''him''. [[Double Standard]], indeed...
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== [[Comic Books]] ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Subverted in the [[Furry Fandom|furry]] comic, ''[[Albedo: Erma Felna EDF]] '', where the title character, a scrupulously professional female military officer who has had to deal with sexist opposition at work, is convinced by her [[Genki Girl|vivacious]] friend, Toki, to go shopping. In doing so, Erma finds that occasionally engaging such feminine activities like getting and wearing a sexy dress to attract the attentions of males is fun to do sometimes on her off time. However, she and Toki are no less [[Badass|Badasses]] for their fun considering the second they spot a potential terrorist, they instantly have him covered with their own guns.
* Subverted in the [[Furry Fandom|furry]] comic, ''[[Albedo: Erma Felna EDF]] '', where the title character, a scrupulously professional female military officer who has had to deal with sexist opposition at work, is convinced by her [[Genki Girl|vivacious]] friend, Toki, to go shopping. In doing so, Erma finds that occasionally engaging such feminine activities like getting and wearing a sexy dress to attract the attentions of males is fun to do sometimes on her off time. However, she and Toki are no less [[Badass]]es for their fun considering the second they spot a potential terrorist, they instantly have him covered with their own guns.
* Parodied in Rick Veitch's ''Brat Pack'', with [[Straw Feminist]] superhero Moon Maiden. As she teaches her sidekick Lunar Lass, emotion and weakness are one and the same to warrior women. Attachments and relationships are for little girls and weaklings. When Lunar Lass gets pregnant, Moon Maiden freaks and speechifies about how a warrior woman needs no one, especially not a child. So she forces her to give herself an abortion with a wire hanger because she can't be a strong or respectable woman if she has a baby.
* Parodied in Rick Veitch's ''Brat Pack'', with [[Straw Feminist]] superhero Moon Maiden. As she teaches her sidekick Lunar Lass, emotion and weakness are one and the same to warrior women. Attachments and relationships are for little girls and weaklings. When Lunar Lass gets pregnant, Moon Maiden freaks and speechifies about how a warrior woman needs no one, especially not a child. So she forces her to give herself an abortion with a wire hanger because she can't be a strong or respectable woman if she has a baby.
* In the case of the Argentinian comic strip ''[[Mafalda]]'', while Mafalda's ideas on women's rights were advanced by the standards of [[The Sixties]] and [[The Seventies]], they come as [[Straw Feminist|more rude and stuck-up than well-intentioned]] to modern readers. Specially when she constantly and very rudely tells her [[Housewife]] mother Raquel that she's "useless" and "mediocre" because she chose to raise Mafalda at home than juggle with work/college and motherhood.
* In the case of the Argentinian comic strip ''[[Mafalda]]'', while Mafalda's ideas on women's rights were advanced by the standards of [[The Sixties]] and [[The Seventies]], they come as [[Straw Feminist|more rude and stuck-up than well-intentioned]] to modern readers. Specially when she constantly and very rudely tells her [[Housewife]] mother Raquel that she's "useless" and "mediocre" because she chose to raise Mafalda at home than juggle with work/college and motherhood.
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* Curiously inverted in ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]'' with Veronica Santiago. She's a Brotherhood Scribe who isn't afraid to question the patriarchal Brotherhood's outdated beliefs, admits to having fallen in love with another woman once, and can floor a deathclaw with her fists. Her greatest wish is... to wear a dress. Simply because she wants to look good and sexy for once. She's genuinely grateful if you get her one, and if you find a ''good'' dress, she squeals like a schoolgirl. And then goes back to pummeling the opposition.
* Curiously inverted in ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]'' with Veronica Santiago. She's a Brotherhood Scribe who isn't afraid to question the patriarchal Brotherhood's outdated beliefs, admits to having fallen in love with another woman once, and can floor a deathclaw with her fists. Her greatest wish is... to wear a dress. Simply because she wants to look good and sexy for once. She's genuinely grateful if you get her one, and if you find a ''good'' dress, she squeals like a schoolgirl. And then goes back to pummeling the opposition.
* An In-universe example in ''[[Odin Sphere]]''. Just about the only thing the [[Amazon Brigade|Valkryies]] of Ragnanival fear is getting married. Since this usually entails getting hit with a love spell to make you fall in love with the first man she sees (usually a man she is ''given'' to), this is perhaps justified. Gwendolyn thankfully lucks out in that Oswald likes her just as she is, and is badass enough to beat down everyone else after her; she's perhaps ''not'' so lucky in that Oswald is a little too afraid of her ''not'' loving him if she finds out she was never under that spell to begin with, and never tells her.
* An In-universe example in ''[[Odin Sphere]]''. Just about the only thing the [[Amazon Brigade|Valkryies]] of Ragnanival fear is getting married. Since this usually entails getting hit with a love spell to make you fall in love with the first man she sees (usually a man she is ''given'' to), this is perhaps justified. Gwendolyn thankfully lucks out in that Oswald likes her just as she is, and is badass enough to beat down everyone else after her; she's perhaps ''not'' so lucky in that Oswald is a little too afraid of her ''not'' loving him if she finds out she was never under that spell to begin with, and never tells her.
* Averted utterly in-canon of ''[[Phantasy Star]] IV'', regarding Alys and Rika in particular. Alys is a beautiful, talented cook, who is ''openly and famously'' admired for being attractive and assymetrical-hemline-dress-and-jewelry-wearing feminine as well as the most [[Badass]] Hunter on the planet (although finding out that she can cook is a surprise to some of her fellow adventurers). Rika is a pink-haired [[Cute Monster Girl]] who only has healing techniques-- but is only second in damage output to the main character, thanks to her short but extremely effective list of melee combat Skills and ability to wear the heaviest armors in the game, which means she also gets to be a frontline fighter.
* Averted utterly in-canon of ''[[Phantasy Star]] IV'', regarding Alys and Rika in particular. Alys is a beautiful, talented cook, who is ''openly and famously'' admired for being attractive and assymetrical-hemline-dress-and-jewelry-wearing feminine as well as the most [[Badass]] Hunter on the planet (although finding out that she can cook is a surprise to some of her fellow adventurers). Rika is a pink-haired [[Cute Monster Girl]] who only has healing techniques—but is only second in damage output to the main character, thanks to her short but extremely effective list of melee combat Skills and ability to wear the heaviest armors in the game, which means she also gets to be a frontline fighter.
* In ''[[Solatorobo]]'', this attitude (and a literal instance) is the whole reason for the photo collection sidequest: {{spoiler|Alicia got a photo taken while wearing a princess dress, and she's so embarrassed by it that she has her gang swipe all the photographer's photos. Waffle eventually sees it and compliments her, but she's offended by the comparison to Princess Theria.}}
* In ''[[Solatorobo]]'', this attitude (and a literal instance) is the whole reason for the photo collection sidequest: {{spoiler|Alicia got a photo taken while wearing a princess dress, and she's so embarrassed by it that she has her gang swipe all the photographer's photos. Waffle eventually sees it and compliments her, but she's offended by the comparison to Princess Theria.}}
* In-universe example in [[Trauma Center|Trauma Team]]: {{spoiler|in one of the extras, Maria wears a dress. Gabe's response is to go try and rip his eyes out.}}
* In-universe example in [[Trauma Center|Trauma Team]]: {{spoiler|in one of the extras, Maria wears a dress. Gabe's response is to go try and rip his eyes out.}}


== [[Web Comics]] ==
== [[Web Comics]] ==
* Debated between skirt-hating [[Straw Feminist]] Susan and skirt-loving [[Action Girl]] Nanase in ''[[El Goonish Shive]]'' [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-02-27 here] (although though both were [[Gender Bender|transformed into boys]] at the time) with Susan naturally taking the [[Real Women Don't Wear Dresses]] side of the argument.
* Debated between skirt-hating [[Straw Feminist]] Susan and skirt-loving [[Action Girl]] Nanase in ''[[El Goonish Shive]]'' [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-02-27 here] (although though both were [[Gender Bender|transformed into boys]] at the time) with Susan naturally taking the Real Women Don't Wear Dresses side of the argument.


== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==
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** Ms. Marvel wears a women's leotard when performing super-heroic duties, creating another aversion.
** Ms. Marvel wears a women's leotard when performing super-heroic duties, creating another aversion.
* The ''[[Barbie]]'' movies avert many clichés thrown at the [[Disney Princess]]es line. The heroines always have interests and hobbies of their own, as well as sisters and female friends with whom they pass the Bechdel Test. Heck, even the female love rivals are well-portrayed (like the sweet female Paolo from ''Barbie:'' ''[[Jungle Princess]]'') and one even features a girl saying that, much as she loves the prince, she cannot marry him because she has to travel the world and pursue her dreams first.
* The ''[[Barbie]]'' movies avert many clichés thrown at the [[Disney Princess]]es line. The heroines always have interests and hobbies of their own, as well as sisters and female friends with whom they pass the Bechdel Test. Heck, even the female love rivals are well-portrayed (like the sweet female Paolo from ''Barbie:'' ''[[Jungle Princess]]'') and one even features a girl saying that, much as she loves the prince, she cannot marry him because she has to travel the world and pursue her dreams first.
* Averted in ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'': we've got two [[tomboy]]s of different flavors (one athlete and one workaholic), we've got three [[The Chick|girly girls]] - a [[Shrinking Violet]], a [[Genki Girl]] and [[The Fashionista]] - and we got [[Adorkable|Twilight Sparkle]] who can serve as counterpart for both groups. Neither are Applejack and Rainbow Dash permanently superior nor are Rarity, Fluttershy, Pinkie or Twilight weaker or stupid. They all have different approaches to something and it depends on the problem what will work (In Rarity's case the approach is passive-aggressive [[Cute but Cacophonic|whining]], proving that you don't have to be on the physical side to take action). Not to mention their [[Physical God|Physical Godess]] [[Every Thing Is Better With Princesses|Princess Celestia]] is very, very feminine. And, well, several thousand years old, lifts the sun every day and is noone to mess with in general.
* Averted in ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'': we've got two [[tomboy]]s of different flavors (one athlete and one workaholic), we've got three [[The Chick|girly girls]] - a [[Shrinking Violet]], a [[Genki Girl]] and [[The Fashionista]] - and we got [[Adorkable|Twilight Sparkle]] who can serve as counterpart for both groups. Neither are Applejack and Rainbow Dash permanently superior nor are Rarity, Fluttershy, Pinkie or Twilight weaker or stupid. They all have different approaches to something and it depends on the problem what will work (In Rarity's case the approach is passive-aggressive [[Cute but Cacophonic|whining]], proving that you don't have to be on the physical side to take action). Not to mention their [[Physical God]]ess [[Every Thing Is Better With Princesses|Princess Celestia]] is very, very feminine. And, well, several thousand years old, lifts the sun every day and is noone to mess with in general.
** Series creator [[Lauren Faust]] herself is 100% opposed to this mentality in fact, stating that the reason why feminine characters come off badly is usually due to poor writing/direction.
** Series creator [[Lauren Faust]] herself is 100% opposed to this mentality in fact, stating that the reason why feminine characters come off badly is usually due to poor writing/direction.
** And let's not forget the occasional all-out brawls. [[The Fashionista]]? Mean left hoof. [[Genki Girl]]? Ends up parking the show on the [[Gatling Good]] page.
** And let's not forget the occasional all-out brawls. [[The Fashionista]]? Mean left hoof. [[Genki Girl]]? Ends up parking the show on the [[Gatling Good]] page.
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