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== Real Life ==
== Real Life ==
=== People - Patronymics and similar names ===
* The famous 17th century astronomer [[wikipedia:Galileo|Galileo Galilei]]. This was, in fact, fairly popular in Italy in the past, especially during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Any Italian history book is a trove of repetitive names, though none quite as famous as Galileo.
* Due to [[Patronymic]]s, you will sometimes run into people with the same first name and patronymic, and when you're in a country that doesn't commonly use last names this becomes ''very'' confusing. Like a Pavel Pavlovich (literally Pavel son of Pavel) whose dad was ''also'' a Pavel Pavlovich.
* Due to [[Patronymic]]s, you will sometimes run into people with the same first name and patronymic, and when you're in a country that doesn't commonly use last names this becomes ''very'' confusing. Like a Pavel Pavlovich (literally Pavel son of Pavel) whose dad was ''also'' a Pavel Pavlovich.
** You can also get people who have the same first name, patronymic, and last name. Pavel Pavlovich Pavlov.
** You can also get people who have the same first name, patronymic, and last name. Pavel Pavlovich Pavlov.
* Guy Fawkes (he of Gunpowder Plot fame) used "John Johnson" as an alias. It wasn't very effective.
* Sporty siblings Gary, Phil (football) and Tracy (netball) Neville's father was a rugby player named Neville Neville. (Sing it to the tune of [[David Bowie]]'s "Rebel Rebel".)
* RFK assassin Sirhan B. Sirhan.
* Magnus Magnusson, the original host of the BBC quiz ''Mastermind''. Although he was Icelandic, this isn't a direct patronym, the Magnus in Magnusson was his grandfather.
* Magnus Magnusson, the original host of the BBC quiz ''Mastermind''. Although he was Icelandic, this isn't a direct patronym, the Magnus in Magnusson was his grandfather.
* Longtime strongman champion Magnus ver Magnusson, also Icelandic.
* Longtime strongman champion Magnus ver Magnusson, also Icelandic.
* Aharon Aharonson, botanist and [[World War I]] spy.
* Erik Erikson, the psychologist famous for coining the term "identity crisis", was born with the name Erik Salomonson. However, his father was only so in the legal sense, as his mother (also Jewish) had an extramarital affair with a Danish man (possibly) named Erik. Hence...
** Not to be confused with conservative political commentator Erick Erickson.
* Comic artist and ''[[Venture Brothers]]'' storyboarder Stephen DeStefano.
* The word "ben" is Hebrew for son, so the name Benson translates into "son son".
** Before anyone says, "That's funny, but Benson is an ''English'' name," Benson means "Ben's Son", i.e. "Son of Benjamin". Benjamin is of course Hebrew for "Son of my right hand" (no, not like that, get your mind out of the gutter), from "ben" (son) and "yamin" (right). So, by an amusing accident, English isolated the part of the name that means "son" as the nickname for Benjamin...and thus "Benson" is, in a round about way, "Son-son" (son of son).
* Benjamin Netanyahu's late brother was named Yonatan Netanyahu. Considering that "Yonatan" is a contraction of "Yehonatan" and "Netanyahu" is a reversal of the same name with a slightly different transliteration, his name was basically Jonathan Nathanjo—or Jo''nathan Nathan''iel.
* This was an old stereotype of people from the Scandinavian countries (where patronymic surnames are common), especially when they emigrated to America. This inspired the rhyme "Yon Yonson" (John Johnson).
* Alexander Alexandrov, writer of the [[Crowning Music of Awesome|Hymn of the Soviet Union]].
* Scandinavian languages has rather few "usable" first names for men, so people with names like "Sven Svensson" (Swedish), "Lars Larsen" (Danish), "Halvor Halvorsen" (Norwegian) or "Sigurbjorn Sigurbjornsson" (Icelandic) are not too uncommon.
* Author, baron, freiherr, politician etc. [[wikipedia:Yrjö Koskinen|Yrjö Yrjö-Koskinen]]
* American country singer (of Swedish descent) Kris Kristofferson.
* The Egyptian American stand-up comic/actor [[Ahmed Ahmed]].
** On a more general note: The extensive use of [[patronymic]]s makes something like this possible—albeit uncommon—in Egypt, and in Arabic-speaking countries in general. It's very normal for a guy to name his first son after his own father (the son's grandfather), and so on. So having a guy named "Ahmed Mohamed Ahmed Mohamed..." unto several generations is not only common, it's practically a national joke in some countries (Egypt chief among them) that if the Arabic system of nomenclature didn't allow you to pick an arbitrary ''nth'' ancestor as your last name (e.g. the random Ibrahim tossed in because you aren't the first son of the first son ''ad infinitum'') or use an ancestral nickname keeps, practically everyone would have a Repetitive Name and the government would have to ban them.
*** For this trope in action, look no further than the kings of Morocco and Jordan. The current{{when}} king of Morocco is Muhammad VI, son of Hassan II, son of Muhammad V, and his son will be (barring unforeseen unpleasantness) Hassan III. In Jordan, the current king is Abdullah II, son of Hussein, and his son will be Hussein II barring unforeseen unpleasantness.

=== People - Not Patronymics ===
* The famous 17th century astronomer [[wikipedia:Galileo|Galileo Galilei]]. This was, in fact, fairly popular in Italy in the past, especially during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Any Italian history book is a trove of repetitive names, though none quite as famous as Galileo.
* Sporty siblings Gary, Phil (football) and Tracy (netball) Neville's father was a rugby player named Neville Neville. (Sing it to the tune of [[David Bowie]]'s "Rebel Rebel".)
* RFK assassin Sirhan B. Sirhan.
* Professional road cyclist Robbie McEwen named his son Ewan.
* Professional road cyclist Robbie McEwen named his son Ewan.
* Mime Marcel Marceau.
* Mime Marcel Marceau.
* [[American Civil War]] soldier [[wikipedia:John St. John|John St. John]]. Not to be confused with ''[[Duke Nukem|Jon]]'' [[Duke Nukem|St John]], who also counts.
* [[American Civil War]] soldier [[wikipedia:John St. John|John St. John]]. Not to be confused with ''[[Duke Nukem|Jon]]'' [[Duke Nukem|St John]], who also counts.
* Aharon Aharonson, botanist and [[World War I]] spy.
* Two Czech examples: [[wikipedia:Pavel Pavel|Pavel Pavel]] (an engineer and a researcher—experimented with the Easter Island statues) and [http://snurl.com/cu06l Jindrich Jindrich]{{Dead link}} (a musician and a composer).
* Two Czech examples: [[wikipedia:Pavel Pavel|Pavel Pavel]] (an engineer and a researcher—experimented with the Easter Island statues) and [http://snurl.com/cu06l Jindrich Jindrich]{{Dead link}} (a musician and a composer).
* In scientific circles, this is known as a ''tautonym'' when it applies to taxonomic classifications, where the genus and species of an animal have the same name. For example, ''Rattus rattus'' is the rat, ''Bison bison'' is the bison, while ''Puffinus puffinus'' is... the Manx Shearwater. [[Quite Interesting|Minus ten points if you said Puffin]].
** [[wikipedia:List of tautonyms|Wikipedia has an incomplete -but not small- list of tautonyms.]]
** One that deserves special mention is the Western Lowland Gorilla - ''Gorilla gorilla gorilla''!
** There are also ''Classic kurashikku'' examples:
*** ''Diceros bicornis'', the rhinoceros, is "two horns" in both Greek and Latin.
*** ''Xiphias gladius'', the swordfish, is "sword" in both Greek and Latin.
*** ''Ursus arctos'', the brown bear, is "bear" in, yes, Latin and Greek. However the Latin name comes first in this case, whereas the Greek name comes first in the other two.
* Guy Fawkes (he of Gunpowder Plot fame) used "John Johnson" as an alias. It wasn't very effective...
* 20th-century [[The Philosopher|philosopher]] John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, author of ''The Nature of Existence''.
* 20th-century [[The Philosopher|philosopher]] John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, author of ''The Nature of Existence''.
* There's also sci-fi writer Thomas T. Thomas.
* There's also sci-fi writer Thomas T. Thomas.
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* Space Shuttle astronaut Richard Richards.
* Space Shuttle astronaut Richard Richards.
** The mind boggles at the unfortunate nicknames that could spawn...
** The mind boggles at the unfortunate nicknames that could spawn...
* Erik Erikson, the psychologist famous for coining the term "identity crisis", was born with the name Erik Salomonson. However, his father was only so in the legal sense, as his mother (also Jewish) had an extramarital affair with a Danish man (possibly) named Erik. Hence...
** Not to be confused with conservative political commentator Erick Erickson.
* Afghan Presidential candidate Dr. Abdullah Abdullah.
* Afghan Presidential candidate Dr. Abdullah Abdullah.
* "My Morning Jacket" lead singer Jim James. (A stage name, but still a name.)
* Comic artist and ''[[Venture Brothers]]'' storyboarder Stephen DeStefano.
* Welsh band "The Automatic" are known as The Automatic Automatic in America due to a pre-existing act by the name of Automatic. American fans of the Welsh band commonly refer to them by their original name.
* The word "ben" is Hebrew for son, so the name Benson translates into "son son".
** Before anyone says, "That's funny, but Benson is an ''English'' name," Benson means "Ben's Son", i.e. "Son of Benjamin". Benjamin is of course Hebrew for "Son of my right hand" (no, not like that, get your mind out of the gutter), from "ben" (son) and "yamin" (right). So, by an amusing accident, English isolated the part of the name that means "son" as the nickname for Benjamin...and thus "Benson" is, in a round about way, "Son-son" (son of son).
* Benjamin Netanyahu's late brother was named Yonatan Netanyahu. Considering that "Yonatan" is a contraction of "Yehonatan" and "Netanyahu" is a reversal of the same name with a slightly different transliteration, his name was basically Jonathan Nathanjo—or Jo''nathan Nathan''iel.
* New York, New York. "The city so nice they named it twice."
* This was an old stereotype of people from the Scandinavian countries (where patronymic surnames are common), especially when they emigrated to America. This inspired the rhyme "Yon Yonson" (John Johnson).
* "My Morning Jacket" lead singer Jim James.
** I don't think that really counts, though: it's not his real name.
* One of the founding members of The Kinks is named Dave Davies.
* One of the founding members of The Kinks is named Dave Davies.
* Griffith Park and Griffith Observatory in [[Los Angeles]] are named for one Griffith J. Griffith.
* Griffith Park and Griffith Observatory in [[Los Angeles]] are named for one Griffith J. Griffith.
* [http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=242075 San San Te]. Different parts of the same page suggest that the second "San" may be part of his last name, or it may be a middle name/part of his first name.
* [http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=242075 San San Te]. Different parts of the same page suggest that the second "San" may be part of his last name, or it may be a middle name/part of his first name.
* There is an area in Arizona known as Table Mesa.
* Simone Simons, lead singer of [[Epica]].
* Simone Simons, lead singer of [[Epica]].
** And Simone Simon, the French actress best known in the United States for ''[[Cat People (film)|Cat People]]''.
** And Simone Simon, the French actress best known in the United States for ''[[Cat People (film)|Cat People]]''.
* There is an area in Arizona known as Table Mesa.
* Loch Lochy
* Mansa Musa, 14th century emperor of Ghana and Mali.
* Alexander Alexandrov, writer of the [[Crowning Music of Awesome|Hymn of the Soviet Union]].
* Sir Isaac Isaacs, who was both the first Australian-born and first Jewish Governor-General of Australia.
* Sir Isaac Isaacs, who was both the first Australian-born and first Jewish Governor-General of Australia.
* The [[wikipedia:Wave (audience)|Mexican wave]] (as often seen in sport stadions) is called ''[[Gratuitous Spanish|La Ola]]'' (Spanish for ''The Wave'') by the Germans. Often you can hear German people talk about "die ''La Ola''-Welle" - "The ''The Wave''-wave"!
* In a similar vein, the La Brea Tar Pits. "La" = "The" and "Brea" = "Tar". The The Tar Tar Pits.
* Ramiro "Pedro" Gonzales-Gonzales, a popular contestant on Groucho Marx's ''You Bet Your Life'' who went on to become a character actor.
* Ramiro "Pedro" Gonzales-Gonzales, a popular contestant on Groucho Marx's ''You Bet Your Life'' who went on to become a character actor.
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{{quote|'''Groucho:''' If we got together as an act, what would it be called?
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'''Groucho:''' Do you believe that? Two men in the act, and I get third billing! }}
* Garet Garrett. Born Edward Peter Garrett, officially changed his name to qualify for this trope. It was [[Only Known by Their Nickname|originally]] [http://mises.org/daily/2751 his pen name.]
* Garet Garrett. Born Edward Peter Garrett, officially changed his name to qualify for this trope. It was [[Only Known by Their Nickname|originally]] [http://mises.org/daily/2751 his pen name.]
* Scandinavian languages has rather few "usable" first names for men, so people with names like "Sven Svensson" (Swedish), "Lars Larsen" (Danish), "Halvor Halvorsen" (Norwegian) or "Sigurbjorn Sigurbjornsson" (Icelandic) are not too uncommon.
* Author, baron, freiherr, politician etc. [[wikipedia:Yrjö Koskinen|Yrjö Yrjö-Koskinen]]
* In many German dynasties and noble families it was customary to designate the different branches of one house by their residence. If the family name already was taken from a place-name, this could lead to cases as the counts of Salm-Salm (as opposed to their relatives, the counts of Salm-Kyrburg) and the margraves of Baden-Baden (as opposed to those of Baden-Durlach) in the 18th century.
* In many German dynasties and noble families it was customary to designate the different branches of one house by their residence. If the family name already was taken from a place-name, this could lead to cases as the counts of Salm-Salm (as opposed to their relatives, the counts of Salm-Kyrburg) and the margraves of Baden-Baden (as opposed to those of Baden-Durlach) in the 18th century.
* The now largely forgotten German writer Ida Marie Luise Sophie Friederike Gustava Countess Hahn (1805-1880) called herself Countess Hahn-Hahn since her wedding to a distant relative, Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf Count Hahn-Basedow.
* The now largely forgotten German writer Ida Marie Luise Sophie Friederike Gustava Countess Hahn (1805-1880) called herself Countess Hahn-Hahn since her wedding to a distant relative, Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf Count Hahn-Basedow.
* The Austrian satirist Alexander Friedrich Roda (1872-1945), who later emigrated to the US, changed his name to Alexander Roda Roda in 1908.
* The Austrian satirist Alexander Friedrich Roda (1872-1945), who later emigrated to the US, changed his name to Alexander Roda Roda in 1908.
* Also from Austria, Field Marshal Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky von Radetz (1766-1858).
* Also from Austria, Field Marshal Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky von Radetz (1766-1858).
* Chris Christie, the current{{when}} governor of New Jersey.
* "Sahara" translates to "Desert," so people unwittingly refer to the Sahara as "the Desert Desert."
* Chris Christie, the current governor of New Jersey.
* The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names.
* The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names.
* Courtney Taylor-Taylor of [[The Dandy Warhols]], though it's a stage name, and his birth name is simply Courtney Taylor. According to him, it started as an in-joke: He had called a friend, and someone else picked up, so he had them write down a message - because he had to repeat his last name to the person on the other end, they wrote his name down as "Courtney Taylor-Taylor".
* This can happen with foreign foods that are amended with the native name for the food, such as "shrimp scampi."
* Similarly, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, former [[Jethro Tull]] bassist. His actual name was Jeffrey Hammond, yet he added the second "Hammond" after his mother's maiden name.
* American country singer (of Swedish descent) Kris Kristofferson.
* Courtney Taylor-Taylor of The Dandy Warhols, though it's a stage name, and his birth name is simply Courtney Taylor. According to him, it started as an in-joke: He had called a friend, and someone else picked up, so he had them write down a message - because he had to repeat his last name to the person on the other end, they wrote his name down as "Courtney Taylor-Taylor".
* Similarly, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, former Jethro Tull bassist. His actual name was Jeffrey Hammond, yet he added the second "Hammond" after his mother's maiden name.
* Character actor Edward Edwards.
* Character actor Edward Edwards.
* Arthur MacArthur (I to III), a succession of military officers during the American imperialist era.
* Arthur MacArthur (I to III), a succession of military officers during the American imperialist era.
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* Lauren Bush (niece of one president of the US and granddaughter of another) married David Lauren to become Lauren Bush Lauren.
* Lauren Bush (niece of one president of the US and granddaughter of another) married David Lauren to become Lauren Bush Lauren.
* Short-lived actor/murderer Milos Milos (real name Miloš Milošević)
* Short-lived actor/murderer Milos Milos (real name Miloš Milošević)
* In baseball, the Philadelphia Phillies land this twice. Not just because of their current name, but also because in 1883 they replaced (and took all their players and staff from) the [[Meaningful Rename|Worcester Worcesters]].
* Evans Evans was a '60s character actress who appeared in several TV shows and the film ''[[Bonnie and Clyde]]''.
* Evans Evans was a '60s character actress who appeared in several TV shows and the film ''[[Bonnie and Clyde]]''.
* [[American Idol]] contestant Phillip Phillips.
* [[American Idol]] contestant Phillip Phillips.
* Actress Sasha Alexander. In Russian, "Sasha" is a diminutive of Alexander (or Alexandra).
* Actress Sasha Alexander. In Russian, "Sasha" is a diminutive of Alexander (or Alexandra).

* The Egyptian American stand-up comic/actor [[Ahmed Ahmed]].
=== Not People ===
** On a more general note: The extensive use of [[patronymic]]s makes something like this possible—albeit uncommon—in Egypt, and in Arabic-speaking countries in general. It's very normal for a guy to name his first son after his own father (the son's grandfather), and so on. So having a guy named "Ahmed Mohamed Ahmed Mohamed..." unto several generations is not only common, it's practically a national joke in some countries (Egypt chief among them) that if the Arabic system of nomenclature didn't allow you to pick an arbitrary ''nth'' ancestor as your last name (e.g. the random Ibrahim tossed in because you aren't the first son of the first son ''ad infinitum'') or use an ancestral nickname keeps, practically everyone would have a Repetitive Name and the government would have to ban them.
* In scientific circles, this is known as a ''tautonym'' when it applies to taxonomic classifications, where the genus and species of an animal have the same name. For example, ''Rattus rattus'' is the rat, ''Bison bison'' is the bison, while ''Puffinus puffinus'' is... the Manx Shearwater. [[Quite Interesting|Minus ten points if you said Puffin]].
*** For this trope in action, look no further than the kings of Morocco and Jordan. The current king of Morocco is Muhammad VI, son of Hassan II, son of Muhammad V, and his son will be (barring unforeseen unpleasantness) Hassan III. In Jordan, the current king is Abdullah II, son of Hussein, and his son will be Hussein II barring unforeseen unpleasantness.
** [[wikipedia:List of tautonyms|Wikipedia has an incomplete -but not small- list of tautonyms.]]
** One that deserves special mention is the Western Lowland Gorilla - ''Gorilla gorilla gorilla''!
** There are also ''Classic kurashikku'' examples:
*** ''Diceros bicornis'', the rhinoceros, is "two horns" in both Greek and Latin.
*** ''Xiphias gladius'', the swordfish, is "sword" in both Greek and Latin.
*** ''Ursus arctos'', the brown bear, is "bear" in, yes, Latin and Greek. However the Latin name comes first in this case, whereas the Greek name comes first in the other two.
* Welsh band "The Automatic" are known as The Automatic Automatic in America due to a pre-existing act by the name of Automatic. American fans of the Welsh band commonly refer to them by their original name.
* New York, New York. "The city so nice they named it twice."
* Loch Lochy
* Mansa Musa, 14th century emperor of Ghana and Mali.
* The [[wikipedia:Wave (audience)|Mexican wave]] (as often seen in sport stadions) is called ''[[Gratuitous Spanish|La Ola]]'' (Spanish for ''The Wave'') by the Germans. Often you can hear German people talk about "die ''La Ola''-Welle" - "The ''The Wave''-wave"!
* In a similar vein, the La Brea Tar Pits. "La" = "The" and "Brea" = "Tar". The The Tar Tar Pits.
* "Sahara" translates to "Desert," so people unwittingly refer to the Sahara as "the Desert Desert."
* This can happen with foreign foods that are amended with the native name for the food, such as "shrimp scampi."
* In baseball, the Philadelphia Phillies land this twice. Not just because of their current name, but also because in 1883 they replaced (and took all their players and staff from) the [[Meaningful Rename|Worcester Worcesters]].


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