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=== People - Patronymics and similar names === |
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* Due to [[Patronymic]]s, you will sometimes run into people with the same first name and patronymic, and when you're in a country that doesn't commonly use last names this becomes ''very'' confusing. Like a Pavel Pavlovich (literally Pavel son of Pavel) whose dad was ''also'' a Pavel Pavlovich. |
* Due to [[Patronymic]]s, you will sometimes run into people with the same first name and patronymic, and when you're in a country that doesn't commonly use last names this becomes ''very'' confusing. Like a Pavel Pavlovich (literally Pavel son of Pavel) whose dad was ''also'' a Pavel Pavlovich. |
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** You can also get people who have the same first name, patronymic, and last name. Pavel Pavlovich Pavlov. |
** You can also get people who have the same first name, patronymic, and last name. Pavel Pavlovich Pavlov. |
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* Magnus Magnusson, the original host of the BBC quiz ''Mastermind''. Although he was Icelandic, this isn't a direct patronym, the Magnus in Magnusson was his grandfather. |
* Magnus Magnusson, the original host of the BBC quiz ''Mastermind''. Although he was Icelandic, this isn't a direct patronym, the Magnus in Magnusson was his grandfather. |
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* Longtime strongman champion Magnus ver Magnusson, also Icelandic. |
* Longtime strongman champion Magnus ver Magnusson, also Icelandic. |
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⚫ | ** Before anyone says, "That's funny, but Benson is an ''English'' name," Benson means "Ben's Son", i.e. "Son of Benjamin". Benjamin is of course Hebrew for "Son of my right hand" (no, not like that, get your mind out of the gutter), from "ben" (son) and "yamin" (right). So, by an amusing accident, English isolated the part of the name that means "son" as the nickname for Benjamin...and thus "Benson" is, in a round about way, "Son-son" (son of son). |
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⚫ | ** On a more general note: The extensive use of [[patronymic]]s makes something like this possible—albeit uncommon—in Egypt, and in Arabic-speaking countries in general. It's very normal for a guy to name his first son after his own father (the son's grandfather), and so on. So having a guy named "Ahmed Mohamed Ahmed Mohamed..." unto several generations is not only common, it's practically a national joke in some countries (Egypt chief among them) that if the Arabic system of nomenclature didn't allow you to pick an arbitrary ''nth'' ancestor as your last name (e.g. the random Ibrahim tossed in because you aren't the first son of the first son ''ad infinitum'') or use an ancestral nickname keeps, practically everyone would have a Repetitive Name and the government would have to ban them. |
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⚫ | *** For this trope in action, look no further than the kings of Morocco and Jordan. The current{{when}} king of Morocco is Muhammad VI, son of Hassan II, son of Muhammad V, and his son will be (barring unforeseen unpleasantness) Hassan III. In Jordan, the current king is Abdullah II, son of Hussein, and his son will be Hussein II barring unforeseen unpleasantness. |
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=== People - Not Patronymics === |
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* Professional road cyclist Robbie McEwen named his son Ewan. |
* Professional road cyclist Robbie McEwen named his son Ewan. |
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* Mime Marcel Marceau. |
* Mime Marcel Marceau. |
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* [[American Civil War]] soldier [[wikipedia:John St. John|John St. John]]. Not to be confused with ''[[Duke Nukem|Jon]]'' [[Duke Nukem|St John]], who also counts. |
* [[American Civil War]] soldier [[wikipedia:John St. John|John St. John]]. Not to be confused with ''[[Duke Nukem|Jon]]'' [[Duke Nukem|St John]], who also counts. |
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* Two Czech examples: [[wikipedia:Pavel Pavel|Pavel Pavel]] (an engineer and a researcher—experimented with the Easter Island statues) and [http://snurl.com/cu06l Jindrich Jindrich]{{Dead link}} (a musician and a composer). |
* Two Czech examples: [[wikipedia:Pavel Pavel|Pavel Pavel]] (an engineer and a researcher—experimented with the Easter Island statues) and [http://snurl.com/cu06l Jindrich Jindrich]{{Dead link}} (a musician and a composer). |
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⚫ | * In scientific circles, this is known as a ''tautonym'' when it applies to taxonomic classifications, where the genus and species of an animal have the same name. For example, ''Rattus rattus'' is the rat, ''Bison bison'' is the bison, while ''Puffinus puffinus'' is... the Manx Shearwater. [[Quite Interesting|Minus ten points if you said Puffin]]. |
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* 20th-century [[The Philosopher|philosopher]] John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, author of ''The Nature of Existence''. |
* 20th-century [[The Philosopher|philosopher]] John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, author of ''The Nature of Existence''. |
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* There's also sci-fi writer Thomas T. Thomas. |
* There's also sci-fi writer Thomas T. Thomas. |
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* Space Shuttle astronaut Richard Richards. |
* Space Shuttle astronaut Richard Richards. |
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** The mind boggles at the unfortunate nicknames that could spawn... |
** The mind boggles at the unfortunate nicknames that could spawn... |
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* Afghan Presidential candidate Dr. Abdullah Abdullah. |
* Afghan Presidential candidate Dr. Abdullah Abdullah. |
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⚫ | ** Before anyone says, "That's funny, but Benson is an ''English'' name," Benson means "Ben's Son", i.e. "Son of Benjamin". Benjamin is of course Hebrew for "Son of my right hand" (no, not like that, get your mind out of the gutter), from "ben" (son) and "yamin" (right). So, by an amusing accident, English isolated the part of the name that means "son" as the nickname for Benjamin...and thus "Benson" is, in a round about way, "Son-son" (son of son). |
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** I don't think that really counts, though: it's not his real name. |
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* One of the founding members of The Kinks is named Dave Davies. |
* One of the founding members of The Kinks is named Dave Davies. |
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* Griffith Park and Griffith Observatory in [[Los Angeles]] are named for one Griffith J. Griffith. |
* Griffith Park and Griffith Observatory in [[Los Angeles]] are named for one Griffith J. Griffith. |
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* [http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=242075 San San Te]. Different parts of the same page suggest that the second "San" may be part of his last name, or it may be a middle name/part of his first name. |
* [http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=242075 San San Te]. Different parts of the same page suggest that the second "San" may be part of his last name, or it may be a middle name/part of his first name. |
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* Simone Simons, lead singer of [[Epica]]. |
* Simone Simons, lead singer of [[Epica]]. |
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** And Simone Simon, the French actress best known in the United States for ''[[Cat People (film)|Cat People]]''. |
** And Simone Simon, the French actress best known in the United States for ''[[Cat People (film)|Cat People]]''. |
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* Sir Isaac Isaacs, who was both the first Australian-born and first Jewish Governor-General of Australia. |
* Sir Isaac Isaacs, who was both the first Australian-born and first Jewish Governor-General of Australia. |
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* Ramiro "Pedro" Gonzales-Gonzales, a popular contestant on Groucho Marx's ''You Bet Your Life'' who went on to become a character actor. |
* Ramiro "Pedro" Gonzales-Gonzales, a popular contestant on Groucho Marx's ''You Bet Your Life'' who went on to become a character actor. |
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{{quote|'''Groucho:''' If we got together as an act, what would it be called? |
{{quote|'''Groucho:''' If we got together as an act, what would it be called? |
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'''Groucho:''' Do you believe that? Two men in the act, and I get third billing! }} |
'''Groucho:''' Do you believe that? Two men in the act, and I get third billing! }} |
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* Garet Garrett. Born Edward Peter Garrett, officially changed his name to qualify for this trope. It was [[Only Known by Their Nickname|originally]] [http://mises.org/daily/2751 his pen name.] |
* Garet Garrett. Born Edward Peter Garrett, officially changed his name to qualify for this trope. It was [[Only Known by Their Nickname|originally]] [http://mises.org/daily/2751 his pen name.] |
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* In many German dynasties and noble families it was customary to designate the different branches of one house by their residence. If the family name already was taken from a place-name, this could lead to cases as the counts of Salm-Salm (as opposed to their relatives, the counts of Salm-Kyrburg) and the margraves of Baden-Baden (as opposed to those of Baden-Durlach) in the 18th century. |
* In many German dynasties and noble families it was customary to designate the different branches of one house by their residence. If the family name already was taken from a place-name, this could lead to cases as the counts of Salm-Salm (as opposed to their relatives, the counts of Salm-Kyrburg) and the margraves of Baden-Baden (as opposed to those of Baden-Durlach) in the 18th century. |
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* The now largely forgotten German writer Ida Marie Luise Sophie Friederike Gustava Countess Hahn (1805-1880) called herself Countess Hahn-Hahn since her wedding to a distant relative, Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf Count Hahn-Basedow. |
* The now largely forgotten German writer Ida Marie Luise Sophie Friederike Gustava Countess Hahn (1805-1880) called herself Countess Hahn-Hahn since her wedding to a distant relative, Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf Count Hahn-Basedow. |
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* The Austrian satirist Alexander Friedrich Roda (1872-1945), who later emigrated to the US, changed his name to Alexander Roda Roda in 1908. |
* The Austrian satirist Alexander Friedrich Roda (1872-1945), who later emigrated to the US, changed his name to Alexander Roda Roda in 1908. |
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* Also from Austria, Field Marshal Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky von Radetz (1766-1858). |
* Also from Austria, Field Marshal Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky von Radetz (1766-1858). |
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* The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names. |
* The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names. |
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⚫ | * Courtney Taylor-Taylor of [[The Dandy Warhols]], though it's a stage name, and his birth name is simply Courtney Taylor. According to him, it started as an in-joke: He had called a friend, and someone else picked up, so he had them write down a message - because he had to repeat his last name to the person on the other end, they wrote his name down as "Courtney Taylor-Taylor". |
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⚫ | * Courtney Taylor-Taylor of The Dandy Warhols, though it's a stage name, and his birth name is simply Courtney Taylor. According to him, it started as an in-joke: He had called a friend, and someone else picked up, so he had them write down a message - because he had to repeat his last name to the person on the other end, they wrote his name down as "Courtney Taylor-Taylor". |
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* Character actor Edward Edwards. |
* Character actor Edward Edwards. |
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* Arthur MacArthur (I to III), a succession of military officers during the American imperialist era. |
* Arthur MacArthur (I to III), a succession of military officers during the American imperialist era. |
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* Lauren Bush (niece of one president of the US and granddaughter of another) married David Lauren to become Lauren Bush Lauren. |
* Lauren Bush (niece of one president of the US and granddaughter of another) married David Lauren to become Lauren Bush Lauren. |
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* Short-lived actor/murderer Milos Milos (real name Miloš Milošević) |
* Short-lived actor/murderer Milos Milos (real name Miloš Milošević) |
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* Evans Evans was a '60s character actress who appeared in several TV shows and the film ''[[Bonnie and Clyde]]''. |
* Evans Evans was a '60s character actress who appeared in several TV shows and the film ''[[Bonnie and Clyde]]''. |
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* [[American Idol]] contestant Phillip Phillips. |
* [[American Idol]] contestant Phillip Phillips. |
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* Actress Sasha Alexander. In Russian, "Sasha" is a diminutive of Alexander (or Alexandra). |
* Actress Sasha Alexander. In Russian, "Sasha" is a diminutive of Alexander (or Alexandra). |
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