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* ''[[Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind]]'', at least in the manga version (which goes longer than the anime), goes back and forth between playing this trope straight & subverting it. On the one hand, the world was destroyed in a nuclear war, on the other, {{spoiler|the kindly & wise [[Big Creepy-Crawlies]] were actually created through bioengineering and so were the giant killer fungi which are actually helping to purify the Earth. Nausicaa believes that the natural order of life should prevail and that humanity needs to live or die without the benefits or burdens of the old technology.}}
* ''[[Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind]]'', at least in the manga version (which goes longer than the anime), goes back and forth between playing this trope straight & subverting it. On the one hand, the world was destroyed in a nuclear war, on the other, {{spoiler|the kindly & wise [[Big Creepy-Crawlies]] were actually created through bioengineering and so were the giant killer fungi which are actually helping to purify the Earth. Nausicaa believes that the natural order of life should prevail and that humanity needs to live or die without the benefits or burdens of the old technology.}}
* The main conflict presented in ''[[Steamboy]]'' is: that though scientists try to help the world there will either be [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|people who want to use it for profit]] or people who want use it for war. The protagonist's father is under the belief that science can save the world, the grandfather believes he is going too far, and the protagonist is neutral and just wants to make sure London doesn't get destroyed.
* The main conflict presented in ''[[Steamboy]]'' is: that though scientists try to help the world there will either be [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|people who want to use it for profit]] or people who want use it for war. The protagonist's father is under the belief that science can save the world, the grandfather believes he is going too far, and the protagonist is neutral and just wants to make sure London doesn't get destroyed.
** In the end, though, the moral of the story feels less like '[[Science Is Bad]]' and more like 'science can be bad or good depending on how it's used.' Take for example the Steam Castle, which was {{spoiler|not originally a weapon, but the world's most advanced amusement park.}} Then there's Ray's numerous clever uses of the [[MacGuffin|Steamball]], like powering flying machines. At the very least, [[Steamboy]] manages to avoid being [[Anvilicious]] by grace of sheer ambiguity.
** In the end, though, the moral of the story feels less like '[[Science Is Bad]]' and more like 'science can be bad or good depending on how it's used.' Take for example the Steam Castle, which was {{spoiler|not originally a weapon, but the world's most advanced amusement park.}} Then there's Ray's numerous clever uses of the [[MacGuffin|Steamball]], like powering flying machines. At the very least, [[Steamboy]] manages to avoid being [[Anvilicious]] by grace of sheer ambiguity.




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== Film ==
== Film ==
* Inverted in ''[[Avatar (film)|Avatar]]''; the scientists are all good guys and it's through the scientific approach that they realize they shouldn't interfere with Pandora's ecosystem. The Na'vi god is also a real being, fully examinable and explainable through science. The bad guys are the military and corporates who misuse technology.
* Inverted in ''[[Avatar (film)|Avatar]]''; the scientists are all good guys and it's through the scientific approach that they realize they shouldn't interfere with Pandora's ecosystem. The Na'vi god is also a real being, fully examinable and explainable through science. The bad guys are the military and corporates who misuse technology.
** The movie does ''not'' suggest that humans should shift back to hunter-gatherer culture like some supporters and detractors believe. In fact, the supplementary material is pretty adamant that scientific advancement is the only way to rescue Earth from its miserable state, and that research from Pandora is vital to this progress. The message is that aboriginal peoples should not be forced to adapt modern lifestyle against their will, and that horrible consequences caused by environmental exploitation can't be fixed with more exploitation.
** The movie does ''not'' suggest that humans should shift back to hunter-gatherer culture like some supporters and detractors believe. In fact, the supplementary material is pretty adamant that scientific advancement is the only way to rescue Earth from its miserable state, and that research from Pandora is vital to this progress. The message is that aboriginal peoples should not be forced to adapt modern lifestyle against their will, and that horrible consequences caused by environmental exploitation can't be fixed with more exploitation.
* The original ''[[The Fly]]'', contrary to popular belief, wasn't so much this trope than 'Science must not be approached with carelessness'. It even compares it to a 'great adventure'. In [[David Cronenberg]]'s remake, this motif is absent altogether: just because it went disastrously wrong ''once'' doesn't mean that teleportation is irredeemably evil.
* The original ''[[The Fly]]'', contrary to popular belief, wasn't so much this trope than 'Science must not be approached with carelessness'. It even compares it to a 'great adventure'. In [[David Cronenberg]]'s remake, this motif is absent altogether: just because it went disastrously wrong ''once'' doesn't mean that teleportation is irredeemably evil.
** Though the original still features the scientist destroying the machine at the end, rather than seeing that it works fine if people aren't careless like he was.
** Though the original still features the scientist destroying the machine at the end, rather than seeing that it works fine if people aren't careless like he was.
* Completely turned around by ''[[Darkman]]'', who, admittedly, was hideously deformed in a [[Freak Lab Accident]], but the accident in question was caused by [[The Mafia]]. When things are going bad, he reminds himself, "I'm a scientist!"
* Completely turned around by ''[[Darkman]]'', who, admittedly, was hideously deformed in a [[Freak Lab Accident]], but the accident in question was caused by [[The Mafia]]. When things are going bad, he reminds himself, "I'm a scientist!"
* The documentary ''Expelled'' [[Godwin's Law|explicitly compares evolutionary biology to Nazism.]]
* The documentary ''Expelled'' [[Godwin's Law|explicitly compares evolutionary biology to Nazism.]]
* Inverted by ''[[The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms]]'', where blunt force ''could'' kill the rhedosaurus, but it spread the beast's disease far and wide, and only our heroic scientist can figure out a way to kill the rhedosaurus ''and'' the disease. Luckily, and [[The Evil Army|unusually]], the army guys are extremely cooperative.
* Inverted by ''[[The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms]]'', where blunt force ''could'' kill the rhedosaurus, but it spread the beast's disease far and wide, and only our heroic scientist can figure out a way to kill the rhedosaurus ''and'' the disease. Luckily, and [[The Evil Army|unusually]], the army guys are extremely cooperative.
* In the [[B-Movie]] ''Bats'', [[Mad Scientist]] Dr. McCabe initially justifies creating the rampaging super intelligent omnivorous bats with the words "I'm a scientist! [[For Science!|That's what we do!]]". No one finds this explanation even the slightest bit strange.
* In the [[B-Movie]] ''Bats'', [[Mad Scientist]] Dr. McCabe initially justifies creating the rampaging super intelligent omnivorous bats with the words "I'm a scientist! [[For Science!|That's what we do!]]". No one finds this explanation even the slightest bit strange.
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* Although most of his later novels were much more pro-technology, [[Jules Verne]]'s early novel ''[[Paris in The Twentieth Century]]'' portrays a cold, sterile future where artistic and humanistic pursuits have been all but abandoned in favor of technology as an answer to all human problems. The main character, a poet, can find neither work nor sympathy, and {{spoiler|dies starving in the streets}}.
* Although most of his later novels were much more pro-technology, [[Jules Verne]]'s early novel ''[[Paris in The Twentieth Century]]'' portrays a cold, sterile future where artistic and humanistic pursuits have been all but abandoned in favor of technology as an answer to all human problems. The main character, a poet, can find neither work nor sympathy, and {{spoiler|dies starving in the streets}}.
* This tends to be a characteristic of many Stephen King novels, including his magnum opus (the [[The Dark Tower]] series). We have
* This tends to be a characteristic of many Stephen King novels, including his magnum opus (the [[The Dark Tower]] series). We have
** The Great Old Ones from the Dark Tower series, who are explicitly described as being "deceived by the false light of science", replacing the magic with their own imperfect science and technology, then killing themselves off with weapons that leave the world a polluted, ruined mess.
** The Great Old Ones from the Dark Tower series, who are explicitly described as being "deceived by the false light of science", replacing the magic with their own imperfect science and technology, then killing themselves off with weapons that leave the world a polluted, ruined mess.
** [[The Plague|The superflu]] from [[Stephen King]]'s ''[[The Stand]]''. which escapes a government lab and kills off 99.4% of the world's population--of course the creators designed it to make sure an antivirus could never be made. The mini-series implies that Flagg may have had a role in the release of it, but the book itself describes it as a series of foul-ups and technical errors.
** [[The Plague|The superflu]] from [[Stephen King]]'s ''[[The Stand]]''. which escapes a government lab and kills off 99.4% of the world's population--of course the creators designed it to make sure an antivirus could never be made. The mini-series implies that Flagg may have had a role in the release of it, but the book itself describes it as a series of foul-ups and technical errors.
** Flagg is specifically described by [[Author On Board|Glen Bateman]] as "the last magician of rational thought" (!) and he gives an impassioned defense of the concept that they should not be so quick to recreate the technological civilization that created things like nukes and bio-engineered germs in the first place.
** Flagg is specifically described by [[Author On Board|Glen Bateman]] as "the last magician of rational thought" (!) and he gives an impassioned defense of the concept that they should not be so quick to recreate the technological civilization that created things like nukes and bio-engineered germs in the first place.
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* ''[[Fringe]]'' seems to take a stance of science being both bad ''and'' good, since its used to both cause ''and'' help solve the Freaky [[Mystery of the Week]]!
* ''[[Fringe]]'' seems to take a stance of science being both bad ''and'' good, since its used to both cause ''and'' help solve the Freaky [[Mystery of the Week]]!
** The [[Gray and Grey Morality]] of the show seems to imply that science can accomplish good things, but at the cost of other good things, and the scientist's [[YMMV|mileage may vary]] as to whether the accomplishments are worth the cost. This is especially obvious when comparing and contrasting Walter and Walternate; each crosses lines that the other will not. For example, Walter is willing to experiment on children while [[Wouldn't Hurt a Child|Walternate is not]], but Walternate is willing to trap people alive in amber while Walter is not.
** The [[Gray and Grey Morality]] of the show seems to imply that science can accomplish good things, but at the cost of other good things, and the scientist's [[YMMV|mileage may vary]] as to whether the accomplishments are worth the cost. This is especially obvious when comparing and contrasting Walter and Walternate; each crosses lines that the other will not. For example, Walter is willing to experiment on children while [[Wouldn't Hurt a Child|Walternate is not]], but Walternate is willing to trap people alive in amber while Walter is not.
* While the ''[[Stargate]]'' series mostly avert this, the ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]'' episode "Trinity," wherein McKay finds an abandoned Ancient experiment to produce limitless energy, it's repeatedly suggested that he is getting in over his head (The Ancients did not complete the program, and it went rather wrong). Despite constant protestations that this is a field they are simply not ready for, McKay continues. In the end he ends up destroying a Stellar System. While the episode plays the aesop straight, a later episode has a solution to the problems from the first time, and the attempt is assisted by an Asgard, the most technologically advanced race who will talk with humanity.
* While the ''[[Stargate]]'' series mostly avert this, the ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]'' episode "Trinity," wherein McKay finds an abandoned Ancient experiment to produce limitless energy, it's repeatedly suggested that he is getting in over his head (The Ancients did not complete the program, and it went rather wrong). Despite constant protestations that this is a field they are simply not ready for, McKay continues. In the end he ends up destroying a Stellar System. While the episode plays the aesop straight, a later episode has a solution to the problems from the first time, and the attempt is assisted by an Asgard, the most technologically advanced race who will talk with humanity.
** Well, five sixths of a Solar System. It's not an exact science.
** Well, five sixths of a Solar System. It's not an exact science.
* On an episode of ''[[CSI]]: NY'', this trope is used to demonize the science of Genetics. It starts off with a supposed dead man being stolen from the back of the van that was bringing it to the morgue. Then the body is dumped in the river, fished out and then found to be alive... brain dead, but alive. They find their way to a genetics research lab that's making goats produce silk in their milk and rats grow ears on their backs. The scientist in charge explains the benefits of it (silk in bulk, replacing a lost body part) but the cops just remark about how weird it is and when they leave remark that it's wrong. The main character going so far as to say progress was great, "but should've stopped."<br /><br />Turns out the genetics lab induced human hibernation on the victim, which the victim was involved in voluntarily and by accident the vic took too much of the mixture they created too fast. He ran out choking and collapsed. They stole him from the van thinking he was alive, thought he was dead when they couldn't revive him and dumped him before they got in more trouble for their unethical experiments. When confronted by this news the head scientist can only remark about his delight that it worked and lists off all the benefits like prolonged space travel and how he will be famous.<br /><br />The second suspect tries to tell the cops how putting them away will "shut the door on the future" as [[No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup|no one else knows the formula but them]], but to the cops the complicated issue is simple, they committed attempted murder (even though they thought the guy was already dead) and are going to jail. It's not "robot apocalypse" or "mutant monster" worthy, but it still denotes the same thing: science is weird... and bad.
* On an episode of ''[[CSI]]: NY'', this trope is used to demonize the science of Genetics. It starts off with a supposed dead man being stolen from the back of the van that was bringing it to the morgue. Then the body is dumped in the river, fished out and then found to be alive... brain dead, but alive. They find their way to a genetics research lab that's making goats produce silk in their milk and rats grow ears on their backs. The scientist in charge explains the benefits of it (silk in bulk, replacing a lost body part) but the cops just remark about how weird it is and when they leave remark that it's wrong. The main character going so far as to say progress was great, "but should've stopped."<br /><br />Turns out the genetics lab induced human hibernation on the victim, which the victim was involved in voluntarily and by accident the vic took too much of the mixture they created too fast. He ran out choking and collapsed. They stole him from the van thinking he was alive, thought he was dead when they couldn't revive him and dumped him before they got in more trouble for their unethical experiments. When confronted by this news the head scientist can only remark about his delight that it worked and lists off all the benefits like prolonged space travel and how he will be famous.<br /><br />The second suspect tries to tell the cops how putting them away will "shut the door on the future" as [[No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup|no one else knows the formula but them]], but to the cops the complicated issue is simple, they committed attempted murder (even though they thought the guy was already dead) and are going to jail. It's not "robot apocalypse" or "mutant monster" worthy, but it still denotes the same thing: science is weird... and bad.
* ''[[Eleventh Hour]]'' generally runs on this trope, as should be expected of a show about a duo that takes down people who apply new technology unethically. However, it does at times depict the potential good that can be done with stem cells, genetic engineering and the like.
* ''[[Eleventh Hour]]'' generally runs on this trope, as should be expected of a show about a duo that takes down people who apply new technology unethically. However, it does at times depict the potential good that can be done with stem cells, genetic engineering and the like.
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Good, good, good, good, good, good technology
Good, good, good, good, good, good technology
Good technology }}
Good technology }}
* Played first at straight, but later averted in Sepultura's ''Biotech Is Godzilla''.
* Played first at straight, but later averted in Sepultura's ''Biotech Is Godzilla''.
{{quote|Bio-technology ain't what's so bad
{{quote|Bio-technology ain't what's so bad
Like all technology, it's in the wrong hands
Like all technology, it's in the wrong hands
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* Practically every episode of the first season of ''[[Superfriends]]'' focused not on a villain but on a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]], a [[Mad Scientist]] or a regular scientist whose invention accidentally runs amok. An early episode had a scientist gains hyper-intelligence (and a cartoonishly enlarged cranium) due to some sort of radiation experiment, and rather than use his superior intellect to take over the world, decides to broadcast the rays so that ''everyone'' on Earth can enjoy the same radically evolved intelligence as him. Thank god the Justice League saved us from the horrifying fate of becoming smarter!
* Practically every episode of the first season of ''[[Superfriends]]'' focused not on a villain but on a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]], a [[Mad Scientist]] or a regular scientist whose invention accidentally runs amok. An early episode had a scientist gains hyper-intelligence (and a cartoonishly enlarged cranium) due to some sort of radiation experiment, and rather than use his superior intellect to take over the world, decides to broadcast the rays so that ''everyone'' on Earth can enjoy the same radically evolved intelligence as him. Thank god the Justice League saved us from the horrifying fate of becoming smarter!
* Dr. Blight from ''[[Captain Planet and the Planeteers]]'' is the show's resident embodiment of the trope.
* Dr. Blight from ''[[Captain Planet and the Planeteers]]'' is the show's resident embodiment of the trope.
** Having said that, one Planeteer Alert encourages viewers to learn more about science, since science can be used for good.
** Having said that, one Planeteer Alert encourages viewers to learn more about science, since science can be used for good.
* Parodied in ''[[The Simpsons (animation)|The Simpsons]],'' with the ignorant townsfolk going on an anti-science riot, including attacking the Museum of Natural History, with Moe smashing a mammoth skeleton, having it land on his back and crying "Oh! My back! I'm paralyzed! I only hope medical science can cure me!"
* Parodied in ''[[The Simpsons (animation)|The Simpsons]],'' with the ignorant townsfolk going on an anti-science riot, including attacking the Museum of Natural History, with Moe smashing a mammoth skeleton, having it land on his back and crying "Oh! My back! I'm paralyzed! I only hope medical science can cure me!"
** Another episode showed a similar mob set to burn Principal Skinner at the stake for insisting that the earth revolves around the sun.
** Another episode showed a similar mob set to burn Principal Skinner at the stake for insisting that the earth revolves around the sun.
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** The Roboticizer wasn't even ''his.'' Uncle Chuck invented it as a means of keeping people with terminal illnesses alive until a cure could be found, or even as a means of eliminating amputation. Of course, when Robotnik came to power, guess who was the first one to get thrown into the Roboticizer...?
** The Roboticizer wasn't even ''his.'' Uncle Chuck invented it as a means of keeping people with terminal illnesses alive until a cure could be found, or even as a means of eliminating amputation. Of course, when Robotnik came to power, guess who was the first one to get thrown into the Roboticizer...?
** Sally Acorn, co-protagonist, [[Everything's Better with Princesses|Princess]], and [[Love Interest]], also has her own [[Robot Buddy|artificially intelligent handheld computer]] named Nicole, who is consistently helpful to our heroes.
** Sally Acorn, co-protagonist, [[Everything's Better with Princesses|Princess]], and [[Love Interest]], also has her own [[Robot Buddy|artificially intelligent handheld computer]] named Nicole, who is consistently helpful to our heroes.
* Averted with [[Gadgeteer Genius|the Mechanist]] in ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]''. It's true that he is pretty much destroying all the original architecture of one of the last Air Nomad temples to provide modern conveniences to his fellow refugees who now live in it, and manufacturing weapons for [[The Empire|the Fire Nation]], but he is actually portrayed quite positively (and the whole weapons manufacturing thing was due to Fire Nation forces threatening violence against his people, which they later carried out).
* Averted with [[Gadgeteer Genius|the Mechanist]] in ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]''. It's true that he is pretty much destroying all the original architecture of one of the last Air Nomad temples to provide modern conveniences to his fellow refugees who now live in it, and manufacturing weapons for [[The Empire|the Fire Nation]], but he is actually portrayed quite positively (and the whole weapons manufacturing thing was due to Fire Nation forces threatening violence against his people, which they later carried out).
* Played straight in an episode of the computer animated ''[[The Garfield Show|Garfield]]'' series. The first half of the episode features Odie digging up a dinosaur bone, only to have the local museum threaten to get a court order evicting them from their home because "science is more important" the second part of the episode features a cleaning robot gone mad.
* Played straight in an episode of the computer animated ''[[The Garfield Show|Garfield]]'' series. The first half of the episode features Odie digging up a dinosaur bone, only to have the local museum threaten to get a court order evicting them from their home because "science is more important" the second part of the episode features a cleaning robot gone mad.
* In the ''[[Teacher's Pet (TV series)|Teachers Pet]]'' movie, the [[Big Bad]] says, "Nature is dead! Science is king!" Of course, [[Straw Vulcan|science is the study of nature...]]
* In the ''[[Teacher's Pet (TV series)|Teachers Pet]]'' movie, the [[Big Bad]] says, "Nature is dead! Science is king!" Of course, [[Straw Vulcan|science is the study of nature...]]
* While ''[[The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes|Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes]]'' does not have this as a theme, Thor does have this opinion.
* While ''[[The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes|Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes]]'' does not have this as a theme, Thor does have this opinion.
* ''[[The Tick]]'' parodies this trope in "Tick vs. The Proto Clown", in which a scientist who loves clowns theorized that a ''bigger'' clown would be even funnier, and his creation is now terrorizing The City.
* ''[[The Tick (animation)]]'' parodies this trope in "Tick vs. The Proto Clown", in which a scientist who loves clowns theorized that a ''bigger'' clown would be even funnier, and his creation is now terrorizing The City.
{{quote|'''Arthur:''' Good gosh, man. Didn't you know it was against the laws of nature? Clowns were never meant to be that big!
{{quote|'''Arthur:''' Good gosh, man. Didn't you know it was against the laws of nature? Clowns were never meant to be that big!
'''Scientist:''' [[Gone Horribly Wrong|I know that... now...]] }}
'''Scientist:''' [[Gone Horribly Wrong|I know that... now...]] }}
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** For those of you wondering what Zerzan ''does'' approve of, his ideal is basically one of acting on little more (''if'' more) than immediate desire and instinct. Not to mention a way of experiencing one's environment that's open to its totality--the main reason he detests abstraction, reification, and naming, as distractions that make one only take in a subset at a time. Suffice to say that he thinks the only unalloyed-good form of communication is ''telepathy'' (q.v. the idea that "lovers need no words"--even though that has more to do with being used to each other's methodologies).
** For those of you wondering what Zerzan ''does'' approve of, his ideal is basically one of acting on little more (''if'' more) than immediate desire and instinct. Not to mention a way of experiencing one's environment that's open to its totality--the main reason he detests abstraction, reification, and naming, as distractions that make one only take in a subset at a time. Suffice to say that he thinks the only unalloyed-good form of communication is ''telepathy'' (q.v. the idea that "lovers need no words"--even though that has more to do with being used to each other's methodologies).
** It's also worth noting that many anarcho-primitivists don't abjure tools, in the sense of objects utilized and/or modified for a very specific task (q.v. crows), and (more importantly) not requiring specialization. The sort of technology they think has no place in a viable society is the sort that requires just such specialization (and, by corollary, relinquishing of anything ''else'' you could do for the people...even if you yourself ''initially'' sought to abjure the other tasks to fine-tune that one goal, apparently). This basically means anything more complex than a kayak, bow, or fishing weir. Science is Bad here because it tempts one towards that which requires mandated labor division.
** It's also worth noting that many anarcho-primitivists don't abjure tools, in the sense of objects utilized and/or modified for a very specific task (q.v. crows), and (more importantly) not requiring specialization. The sort of technology they think has no place in a viable society is the sort that requires just such specialization (and, by corollary, relinquishing of anything ''else'' you could do for the people...even if you yourself ''initially'' sought to abjure the other tasks to fine-tune that one goal, apparently). This basically means anything more complex than a kayak, bow, or fishing weir. Science is Bad here because it tempts one towards that which requires mandated labor division.
* It bears repeating that in fictional works, as in real life, science and technology are often treated as interchangeable, though they are not. Often a criticism of a particular application of a technology, or of its social repercussions, but may not be a criticism of the scientific method of study and problem solving - but are grouped under the anti-science label anyway - either by mistake or as an attempt to discredit the criticism. As mentioned above, Luddism was more a social/political movement focusing on the role of industrialization on labor displacement and working-class oppression, than a pure [[Irrational Hatred]] of technology (in modern popular usage, the context is edited out, and "Luddite" basically means primitive and reactionary).
* It bears repeating that in fictional works, as in real life, science and technology are often treated as interchangeable, though they are not. Often a criticism of a particular application of a technology, or of its social repercussions, but may not be a criticism of the scientific method of study and problem solving - but are grouped under the anti-science label anyway - either by mistake or as an attempt to discredit the criticism. As mentioned above, Luddism was more a social/political movement focusing on the role of industrialization on labor displacement and working-class oppression, than a pure [[Irrational Hatred]] of technology (in modern popular usage, the context is edited out, and "Luddite" basically means primitive and reactionary).
** On the same note, efforts to point out bad science can also get shoved under the anti-science label, for the same reasons.
** On the same note, efforts to point out bad science can also get shoved under the anti-science label, for the same reasons.
* Theodore Kaczynski, [[wikipedia:Ted Kaczynski|better known as the Unabomber]], took this trope too literally.
* Theodore Kaczynski, [[wikipedia:Ted Kaczynski|better known as the Unabomber]], took this trope too literally.
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