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By this point Buffy has re-affirmed and adopted Dawn as her sister despite knowing her true origins, so the 'falsely believes' part is not applicable.
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(By this point Buffy has re-affirmed and adopted Dawn as her sister despite knowing her true origins, so the 'falsely believes' part is not applicable.)
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* ''[[All in The Family]]'' regularly used Archie as a comic foil to promote Mike and Gloria's liberal views. However, watched across the gap of almost four decades, Mike and Gloria can sound dreadfully naive, while Archie, notwithstanding the small-minded bigot that he was, actually scores a good number of points off them. This was entirely deliberate on the part of both the writers and Carroll O'Connor, the actor who played Archie. O'Connor was an old-school socialist (he was much further to the left than even Mike) but he disliked naive, idealistic "limousine liberals" (known as "latte liberals" today) almost as much as he loathed conservatives, whom he regarded as selfish, amoral, and manipulative. His Archie was meant to be a ''victim'', not a strawman of any kind. O'Connor played him as an example of how in his opinion conservatism deliberately and callously abused the working classes, leaving them uneducated, barely literate, bitter, angry, and self-destructive - but still willing to vote against their own interests because they've been convinced that the other side is immoral and treasonous.
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'':
** The Knights of Byzantium in season 5 are pretty harsh: they plan on killing Buffy's younger sister, "The Key", to prevent a Hellgod from another dimension from using her to open a portal back to her dimension that would plunge this world into chaos. As hard as it is to blame Buffy for defending her sister and going against this, the fact remains that in doing so she is risking the fate of the entire world merely to attempt to save one magically created metaphysical entity that Buffy falsely believes to be her sister. Looking at things from a rational standpoint, what the Knights are trying to do makes perfect sense, and in fact Buffy comes to agree with that after a few years of [[Character Development]], telling Giles in season 7 that if given the choice again she would sacrifice Dawn for the good of the world.
** The Social Worker from the episode "Gone". We're meant to hate her for making Buffy's life harder and cheer Buffy on when she's invisible and gets revenge, but really, Buffy's in no state to look after a teenage girl with issues, even if she is her sister, especially considering the way she handled that was by making the social worker look like she was insane to her boss. Way to make sure that other children are being looked after, Buffy.
*** Of course, this mostly means she got a taste of her own medicine (don't presume to judge, and all that), and the first point here kind of nukes the second - it's somewhat safer to keep the potential end-of-the-world before the eyes of people specializing in such problems rather than shuffled wherever an overconfident bureaucrat deems acceptable this week.
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