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'''FaFic ([[You Make Me Sic|sic]]) Apologists:''' Well YOU have them get raped and abused and they have LOTS of sex. }}
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Edfred]] of ''[[Naruto Veangance Revelaitons]]'' complains about the [[Jerk Sue|protagonist]]'s misbehavior in his shop, which includes viciously assaulting him on several occasions, but the author expects us to view him as unreasonable and mean.
* In the [[Dragon Age II]] fanfic "Magic's Blade" by TheNuttyAuthor, there are Maric Penderghast, and Feynriel, who is taken in by Hector Hawke (the protagonist). Feynriel argues that people should be free to do what they want without consequences, and that Hector shouldn't be telling him what to do even if it is what Hector feels is best for him. The author intends for the reader to feel exasperated with Feynriel and side with Hector, but some readers might believe that Feynriel is in the right. Likewise, with Maric, he is set up as an extreme contrast to Hector Hawke, the rough-around-the-edges swordsman [[
* In the ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' webcomic ''[[How I Became Yours]]'', Mai hides letters from Katara to Zuko telling him that she's pregnant. When confronted by Zuko, she gives a reason that [http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/ReneeLuvsZutara/HIBY%20Chapter%201/028.jpg does make sense]: She wants to prevent a possible civil war coming from all the succession problems that the existence of a bastard child of the Fire Lord would bring. (And not to mention, well, Zuko impregnated Katara ''[[Your Cheating Heart|when he already was married to Mai]]''). However, since this is [[Ron the Death Eater|Mai]] and she is [[Possession Sue|Katara's]] [[Die for Our Ship|love rival for Zuko]], she's [[Derailing Love Interests|presented as a]] [[Clingy Jealous Girl|petty and clingy]] [[Designated Villain]] who does this only out of bitterness and jealousy... and we're supposed to side with ''Zuko'' [[Domestic Abuser|when, in response to her rant, he humiliates and beats her]] before abandoning his war-torn nation to run away with his babymama.
* About two-thirds of the way through ''[[Dumbledore's Army and the Year of Darkness|Dumbledores Army and The Year of Darkness]]'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[Child Soldiers|teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in canon!) suddenly becomes the [[Only Sane Man]].
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* ''[[Plan 9 from Outer Space]]''. Eros. Would ''you'' allow an alien species to get their hands on a device that could blow up not only the world but the ''universe''? Compare and contrast with Robert E Wise's ''[[The Day the Earth Stood Still]]''.
* A frequent problem in [[Cowboy Cop]] type movies, particularly ''[[Dirty Harry]]'', where the wishy-washy liberal superiors chastise Harry for his flagrant abuse of the rights of the suspect and ignorance of police procedure. But the thing is, they're right, and Harry would be a terrifyingly dangerous person in real life. This whole issue was deliberately acknowledged in the earlier film, ''[[Bullitt]]'', where the superior turns out to be completely right: it's not good to be a loose cannon. ''[[Dirty Harry]]'' itself acknowledged this with the second movie, with the primary antagonists being a group of Cowboy Cops. It is instructive to note that despite all the other rules he breaks, Harry has never actually killed anyone outside standard law enforcement rules of engagement.
** Even in the ''first'' movie, [[Unbuilt Trope|Harry isn't portrayed as completely in the right]]. Everyone seems to forget (probably because the sequels [[Retcon|retconned]] it) that at the end of the movie, he ''quits the force'' because things just don't work.
* In the remake of ''[[The Day the Earth Stood Still]]'', various characters from the government and military are depicted as being callous, paranoid, and inhumane when they immediately imprison the injured alien visitor and attempt to interrogate him about what he's doing on Earth. Even though the viewers are supposed to be disgusted with their behavior, there's one minor problem; Klaatu is indeed planning to destroy the entire human race, taking all of a day and a couple interviews to verify it as the right course. [[Properly Paranoid|The "inhumane" government officials were completely correct to treat him as an enemy.]]
* In ''[[28 Weeks Later]]'', the American military eventually order the total execution of all non-military personnel in London, infected or not, rather than risk letting the newly-resurgent virus spread. American soldiers gun down hordes of frightened civilians who are obviously not yet infected, which is pretty horrifying. However, we also know that the virus completely wiped out Britain in a matter of weeks, so this extreme position does not seem so unreasonable. By the end, {{spoiler|we learn that the heroes' successful escape from the mass execution has, in fact, allowed the virus to spread to the rest of the world and possibly doomed the human race. It's likely that the film always intended the heroes' position to seem somewhat dubious, albeit with good intentions}}.
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* ''[[Doctor Who]]'':
** In the serial "The Invasion", aspiring glamor photographer Isobel suggests getting proof of the Cybermen's presence in the sewers by going down to take pictures. [[The Brigadier]] agrees, but intends to use his own men instead, on the basis that such a situation is [[Stay in the Kitchen|no place for a lady]]. Isobel blows up at how backward and sexist he's being, but the Brig refuses, and both girls gang up on Jamie for agreeing with him (despite the fact he's from the 18th century and has a legitimate excuse for being old fashioned) and both she and Zoe [[Idiot Ball|walk away in a huff to get the pics themselves]] with Jamie worriedly tagging along, which ends up getting a [[Red Shirt|police officer and one of the UNIT troops]] sent to rescue them killed. While it could easily be argued that the Brig was in the wrong to assume they couldn't handle themselves for being ''women'', it might have been better to let trained and experienced soldiers do the dangerous work, and neither of the girls are called out for their reckless actions getting two men killed.
** [[The Nth Doctor|The Tenth Doctor]] is ''terrible'' with this, as he is [[The Hero]] and therefore Always Right, but his thought processes are... a bit suspect at times, the worst examples being in the episodes "The Christmas Invasion" and "Journey's End". In the former, the Doctor forces [[Monster of the Week|the Sycorax]] to retreat from Earth, until Harriet Jones orders their destruction with captured alien technology, and the Doctor is ''furious'', berating Jones for attacking someone that was retreating while Jones replies that she was acting in self-defense, quite reasonable considering the Sycorax intended to kill hundreds of millions of people and demonstrated that they could easily not honour their promise not to return, with the Doctor winning because... somehow. In the latter, {{spoiler|the Doctor's half-human clone}} (''long'' story) kills the Daleks, a literally [[
** The Eleventh Doctor seems to have finally snapped out of this "holier than thou" phase, not shying away from properly punishing those who are an active menace.
* In ''[[Roseanne]]'', Leon is portrayed as wrong for wanting to fire Roseanne, even though she really ''is'' a lazy and sometimes intimidating employee who backtalks him almost every time he asks her to do something, even if that thing is something completely reasonable for an employer to ask of an employee. Of course, Leon is often a bit of a jerk in his own right.
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