No Saving Throw: Difference between revisions

The [[Trope Namer]] here is ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'', where normally, harmful effects such as mind-controlling magic, dragon breath, illusions, or other supernatural nastiness allows the character affected to make a saving throw of the dice to negate or minimize the effect. Some spells and effects, unfortunately, such as the [[Level Drain]] ability of a wraith, do NOT allow a saving throw to be made against them. In more modern editions of the game, these effects almost always have a chance to miss instead.

 

 

Do not confuse with [[Author's Saving Throw]].

*** There's also that it may be that {{spoiler|Charles is dead at this point,}} and that his ability is not blindness, with that particular one being a side-effect of some sort and said character's never being said to recover from the ''actual'' affliction.

* Happens in ''[[Dragon Ball GT]]'' during the Super #17 arc. Regular #17 is being mind controlled by a second version of himself, and attacks #18, his sister. Krillin tries to bring him out, and he nearly goes back to normal before the other #17 enters his mind again and makes him shake off the good influence, at which point he kills Krillin instead.

*** It still fails against Byakyua because the latter considers his [[Pillars of Moral Character|honour-debt to Ichigo]] (which Tsukishima can't affect directly) [[Honor Before Reason|more important than anything else]]. He therefore kills Tsukishima while acknowledging that he was the most important person in his life.

 

 

=== [[Tabletop RPG]] ===

* ''[[Warhammer 40000]]'' has many weapons that bypass Armor Saves and a few ones that bypass ''Invulnerable'' Saves. The wording on one of these attacks simply states that the affected model is "removed from play with no saves of any kind allowed".

** A favourite tactic of Chaos players in the days of 3.5 Edition was to create one of these by taking a Chaos Lord with the "[[One-Winged Angel|Daemonic Stature]]" daemonic gift and the "[[Impossibly Cool Weapon|Dreadaxe]]" [[Sentient Weapon|daemonic weapon.]] [[Hilarity Ensues|Hilarity ensued]], then [[Nerf|nerfing]].

** Do not look at a Catoblepas straight in the eyes unless you want to die.

** Do not ''touch'' a [[Artifact of Doom|Sphere]] of [[Disintegrator Ray|Annihilation]] unless you want to be blasted out of existence. Notably, an upgraded and ''sentient'' version (the Blackball) released to fight characters of level 38+ (out of a possible 20) was still less scary, since it allowed an (admittedly, very difficult) save.

** the only defense against Holyword and its sister spells (dictum, word of chaos, and blaspheme) are being a high enough level, spell resistance (which is not the same as a saving throw), and having the right alignment.

* ''[[Mutants and Masterminds]]'' second edition has [[No Saving Throw]] as a [[Point Build System|extra you can apply to one of your powers]]. When the power resolves, the target is treated as though they failed their saving throw by one point. For damage effects<ref>[[Mutants and Masterminds]] doesn't use [[Hit Points]]. Characters make a [[Saving Throw]] to shrug off damage instead, with failed saves applying stacking penalties to future saves until someone passes the critical failure threshold and is knocked out.</ref> this results only in [[Scratch Damage]]. But for Save-Or-Lose effects like [[Mind Manipulation|Mind Control]], [[Baleful Polymorph|Transform]], or [[Power Nullifier|Power Control]], this ability becomes a [[Game Breaker]]. It's typically reserved for NPC Villains.