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== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* There are a fair number of older ''[[Harpoon (game)|Harpoon]]'' scenarios that pit a Soviet carrier group against an American one. The actual Soviet use of the "''Kiev''" and "''Moskva''" classes were to defend areas for missile submarines, not engage in a suicidal tangle against a ''Nimitz'' group, unless the latter got close to the Soviet mainland. If the Soviets were going to take on a U.S. CBG (Carrier Battle Group), they'd use submarines and/or aircraft.
** ''Harpoon'' predates the current ubiquitousness of AEGIS ships in the USN, meaning there was a greatly increased risk of the heartstopping "[[Mnogo Nukes Other Naval Nukes|SS-N-12 SANDBOX]] detected. METHOD: Visual" happening. This did not stay true for long after the game's release though.
** Or as William S. Lind [http://archive.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind113.html expressed
{{quote|...contrary to the U.S. Navy's fervent belief, the aircraft carrier is no longer the capital ship. It ceded that role long ago to the submarine. [...]
About thirty years ago, my first boss [...] asked Admiral Hyman Rickover how long he thought the U.S. aircraft carriers would last in the war with the Soviet navy, which was largely a submarine navy. Rickover's answer, on the record in a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was, "About two days." The Committee, needless to say, went on to [[When All You Have Is a Hammer|approve buying more carriers]]. }}
== [[Video Games]] ==
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