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* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Playing the minigames can quickly get grating due to the voice acting. They repeat 1-2 lines for every choice you pick before starting the game (i.e. which rules, which level of bet, how many potch), and can't be skipped by button-mashing. Rita's is especially grating, as she has a lot of lines of dialogue in the minigame...
* [[Never Live It Down]]: Snowe's poor leadership during his first real crisis continues to haunt him, both [[Butt Monkey|in-]] [[The Scrappy|and out-]]of universe.
* [[Scrappy Mechanic]]:
** Cutting the standard ''Suikoden'' party size from six to four is ''the'' most hated thing about this game. When you've got several dozen playable characters, only being able to use four at a time is quite bad. In addition to reducing the party combinations you can play with, it also makes unlocking and using all of the [[Combination Attacks]] a pain. In particular, the 4-person combo attack by the Razril knights (minus Lazlo and Snowe) can ''only'' be used during ship travel by calling them in as a reserve party, since that's the only way to remove Lazlo from the active roster.
** Ship travel is also annoying slow, an irritation compounded by the [[Random Encounter]] rate being higher than other ''Suikoden'' games. You'll be even more thankful than usual when Viki appears.
** Army battles in the series have always varied in quality, but the ship battles this time around don't feature any special tactics, interesting maneuvers, or surprises about your enemies' capabilities—you're basically playing rock-paper-scissors against someone missing their first two fingers. Even worse by comparison to ''[[Suikoden V]]'', which features both more interesting and larger-scale naval battles despite those battles being confined to a mere river while ''[[Suikoden IV]]'' is on the open ocean. In ''Suikoden IV'', the number of ships involved is always in the single digits, turning what are supposed to be major engagements into mere skirmishes.
*** Also about the naval battles, when two ships gets close enough, it starts a normal battle between your assigned fighter and the enemy's. The problem is that you can only attack or defend, making mages useless. Losing said battle also causes the ship to sink instantly, regardless of HP.
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]] - In-world example: Wendel, a [[Tomboy|Tomboyish]] [[Action Girl]] who declares herself the apprentice of Nico, your ship's lookout. Who, despite his frequently-praised vision and having her constantly hanging around him, thinks she's a guy.
* [[The Woobie]] - In a sense, Snowe is this [[Gone Horribly Wrong]]; he'd be more sympathetic if he weren't [[Too Dumb to Live|so damn]] ''[[Too Dumb to Live|dense]]''.
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