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**** But that could be because Superman was still weak after being exposed to red sunlight for several days.
**** But that could be because Superman was still weak after being exposed to red sunlight for several days.
**** Don't forget, however, that Superman ''did,'' in [[Superman: The Animated Series]], beat Darkseid to a bloody mess (by DCAU standards) when he and Batman invaded Apokalips. The difference is, at that point, Superman was ''still'' holding back so as not to kill him. By the time of the Unlimited finale, he was pretty much actually '''[[Thou Shalt Not Kill|trying to kill him]]''', since he knew that he probably couldn't. Remember, Supes, unlike Batman, ''will'' relax his [[Thou Shalt Not Kill]] rule when there absolutely is no other option.
**** Don't forget, however, that Superman ''did,'' in [[Superman: The Animated Series]], beat Darkseid to a bloody mess (by DCAU standards) when he and Batman invaded Apokalips. The difference is, at that point, Superman was ''still'' holding back so as not to kill him. By the time of the Unlimited finale, he was pretty much actually '''[[Thou Shalt Not Kill|trying to kill him]]''', since he knew that he probably couldn't. Remember, Supes, unlike Batman, ''will'' relax his [[Thou Shalt Not Kill]] rule when there absolutely is no other option.
** Even with the post-Crisis Superman, some writers (Mark Waid is a good example) like to write him as a being of godlike power, capable of surviving things like {{spoiler|the super-nuke}} in ''[[Kingdom Come]]'' that would kill literally anyone else. [[Websnark|Eric Burns]] [http://www.websnark.com/archives/2006/01/wouldnt_the_bla.html describes this] as Superman having his "no one can kick my ass because I'm Superman" bit set that day.
** Even with the post-Crisis Superman, some writers (Mark Waid is a good example) like to write him as a being of godlike power, capable of surviving things like {{spoiler|the super-nuke}} in ''[[Kingdom Come]]'' that would kill literally anyone else. [[Websnark|Eric Burns]] [https://web.archive.org/web/20160809014059/http://www.websnark.com/archives/2006/01/wouldnt_the_bla.html describes this] as Superman having his "no one can kick my ass because I'm Superman" bit set that day.
*** In the defense of [[Kingdom Come]], there ARE hints earlier in the book that this Superman is much more powerful than others. Luthor himself mentions that Supes is so soaked up on sunlight, he's now immune to Kryptonite.
*** In the defense of [[Kingdom Come]], there ARE hints earlier in the book that this Superman is much more powerful than others. Luthor himself mentions that Supes is so soaked up on sunlight, he's now immune to Kryptonite.
*** Also, what was stated was that the bomb would have killed Superman if it had hit him point blank. [[Captain Marvel]] was presented as exactly as powerful after all, and {{spoiler|it took his sacrifice to save Superman and the others powerful enough to take it}}. (Doctor Fate & Green Lantern, who protected about half of the fighters)
*** Also, what was stated was that the bomb would have killed Superman if it had hit him point blank. [[Captain Marvel]] was presented as exactly as powerful after all, and {{spoiler|it took his sacrifice to save Superman and the others powerful enough to take it}}. (Doctor Fate & Green Lantern, who protected about half of the fighters)