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The term "Ghost Ship" can refer to two things in normal usage:
The term "Ghost Ship" can refer to two things in normal usage:

# A derelict ship.
# A ship crewed by ghosts.
#A derelict ship.
#A ship crewed by ghosts.

[[Ghost Ship]] currently means the first of these, rather than being a disambiguation, which is already confusing. It then claims that "If you're looking for otherworldly ships with tattered sails crewed by the damned, see [[Afterlife Express]]."
[[Ghost Ship]] currently means the first of these, rather than being a disambiguation, which is already confusing. It then claims that "If you're looking for otherworldly ships with tattered sails crewed by the damned, see [[Afterlife Express]]."


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[[Flying Dutchman]] often covers the second meaning of Ghost Ship, but it isn't the same thing; for one thing, it can be about a ship that's cursed without anyone being dead. Also, it needs to have Wandering Jew made into a separate trope.
[[Flying Dutchman]] often covers the second meaning of Ghost Ship, but it isn't the same thing; for one thing, it can be about a ship that's cursed without anyone being dead. Also, it needs to have Wandering Jew made into a separate trope.


Furthermore, two of the tropes can also apply to trains. And Ghost Ship is named after ships and Afterlife Express after trains--that implies that the dividing line is based on type of vehicle when it certainly isn't. (I can't think of anything other than ships and trains that does this commonly enough to be called a trope.)
Furthermore, "crewed by ghosts" and "to the afterlife" can also apply to trains. And Ghost Ship is named after ships and Afterlife Express after trains--that implies that the dividing line is based on type of vehicle when it certainly isn't. (I can't think of anything other than ships and trains that does this commonly enough to be called a trope.)


In other words, it's all sort of right but confusing and not quite.
In other words, it's all sort of right but confusing and not quite.


Possible solution:
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Link to TVT discussion: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1301884599098664600

*Ghost Ship is a disambiguation for three tropes:
*#[[Derelict Ship]]
*#[[Haunted Ship]]. Also includes ships that are themselves supernatural.
*#[[Afterlife Express]]
*Flying Dutchman can be the second but isn't necessarily.
*Names are up for grabs--there may be better ones.

On TVT there was also the idea of distinguishing between a haunted ship and a ship ''crewed'' by ghosts, which I'm no longer so sure about.
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Link to TVT discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1301884599098664600
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