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Hey, I have no idea if you're up to speed with anything Harry Potter related, but I did some lurking on TV Tropes and heard that the upcoming canonical play Harry Potter and the Cursed Child is going to really, REALLY be the cause of some heated discussion due to a new potential candidate as well as a few characters having to be heavily reexamined.

I just want to get something out of the way right not: If any of the current keepers (Voldemort, Bellatrix, Umbridge, or Greyback) are given any redeeming/mitigating qualities, are they gonna be given the axe? Or will we go the post-timeskip Mayuri and Orochimaru route with them and keep them while elaborating that they counted before said work was created?

I got spoiled on the play's plot - Umbridge is, again, in no danger of getting cut. She shows up in a time travel AU, as vile and tyrannical as ever, and even attempts to murder a child before getting killed by Snape. The ones sure to cause some discussion are Voldemort and Bellatrix - BIG SPOILERS AHEAD,

Apparently Voldemort and Bellatrix had sex at some point and conceived a child, Delphie, who's the Big Bad of the play's story. Honestly, this does nothing to disprove their status since they very well could have taken a love potion for that (which is how Voldemort himself was conceived), it could have been sex out of passion with no true love involved, or since some have noticed that Voldemort having a child creates inconsistencies in continuity and timeline, the whole thing could be a lie since the only one pushing it is Delphie herself. It's possible that Bellatrix was her mother/guardian and lied to her about her father due to some sick fantasy of Bellatrix's,

And as for Delphie, I feel she can't possibly count due to a comparatively small rap sheet (she tries to do something similar to what Starlight Glimmer tried to do in the MLP: FiM Season 5 finale, has a body count of one student, and tries to kill the good guys), being a potential Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds, and being almost Played For Laughs at points (her entire character seems to lampoon My Immortal style fanfic OCs and at one point in her time turning antics she schemes to make Cedric Diggory suffer a humiliating loss by making him naked and riding on a broom of purple feathers). Plus, she's incapacitated at Azkaban in the end rather than killed, so the possibility for some form of redemption isn't totally closed off.

Yeah, I did some research of my own and agree wholeheartedly on your points. I think more than anything I'm relieved that Umbridge hasn't had her characterization as THE most hatable, vile, and just plain evil character in the series hurt by shoddy writing!

But yeah, I highly doubt that Voldemort or Bellatrix have been disqualified: Voldemort obviously doesn't get love (That's the whole point of his character, in fact), and as for Bellatrix unless we're shown explicitly that there was a genuine romance on her end, I'm comfortable with writing it off as passionate lust-induced sex.

I'm just going to say that if Delphie IS intended as a joke at the expense of people with hilariously unrealistic Mary Sues, I won't mind her as much: when I read about her I couldn't help but feel shocked by how stupid of a concept her character was. Though with that being said, the play's story sounds... bad. REALLY bad. I'm not a fan of the time-travely stuff and all the inconsistencies about TIme Turners its raised , and let's keep it at that! :p

Umbridge remains a strong example of a CM who shows that resources and playing fields that either limit the villain or "allow" them better chances for evildoing really matters. Umbridge is as horrible as she can possibly be no matter where she is on the totem pole of power in any given scenario.

Rowling has stated even before this play that Voldemort and Bellatrix shared true love as much as people like them are capable of, meaning to say that's they share something that's not true love but a perversion of it based upon them sharing horrible, horrible ideologies and dark passions.

Yeah, a lot of people feel the story wasn't thought through very well and that several points are ridiculous, but I just cannot see how Dephie could not be at least partially meant to be seen as a ridiculous character. The things the play has her doing and saying borders on black comedy or unintentional comedy!

I'd said being a potential Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds as a mitigating factor for Delphie before, but after reading more detailed summaries of events in the play, that "potential" should now be "definite." She actually never intended on killing baby Harry and was instead wanting to stop Voldemort from trying to kill baby Harry (and killing his parents in the process) because that kickstarted the series of events leading to Voldemort's destruction, and all she really wanted deep down was to have her parents in her life. She actually begs to be killed or have her memory wiped completely rather than continue living with the pain of being an orphan raised on Death Eater beliefs and with knowledge of her parents, but Harry denies that to her because he can empathize how it feels like to be an orphan who knows of their dead parents' legacies but will never get to know them, and Delphie has to live with that just as he does every day. She's also witness to Voldemort killing Harry's parents inside the house, and apparently she herself is pretty mortified and solemn about that and Harry breaking down in tears afterwards. She gets sent to Azkaban, but there's definitely room for reforming her in the future.