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So basically you don't like the shades of gray getting darker? I really don't think that's fair since it's missing a rather large point of the show - how complicated life is and how everyone is someone who has problems that they deal with in different ways, so things are rarely so simple as being cases of pure good or pure evil. Have we ever seen Pink Diamond in a flashback yet and seen what she was like? If not, then how can we call her a heartless tyrant, and know for certain that the human zoo was for "her own sick amusement?" I thought the implication was that she loved Earth and humanity, and the zoo was done out of that love - the sentiment was innocent but the expression of it (kidnapping and imprisoning) was twisted. I theorize that Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz might have actually bonded over their feelings towards Earth and Rose might have rehabilitated Pink had circumstances not taken a turn for the worse and forced Rose's sword against Pink Diamond (which, again, I suspect is Yellow Diamond's fault and she harbors secret guilt over it). We're already seeing some of that with Blue Diamond, who we never knew personally outside of Ruby and Sapphire's POV in their backstory, but now see that she's not at all what we might have pre-conceived her to be. In fact, that seems to be a big thing with the show's villains - it shows you the results of their actions first so that you get a perception of what they must be like, then challenge that perception when you get to see and learn more about them personally. Nothing changes that what they've done is wrong, bur the idea that their deeds invalidate their worth as living, sentient beings is not supported within the narrative. That's why it's unlikely for the show to have a CM aside from potentially White Diamond.
So basically you don't like the shades of gray getting darker? I really don't think that's fair since it's missing a rather large point of the show - how complicated life is and how everyone is someone who has problems that they deal with in different ways, so things are rarely so simple as being cases of pure good or pure evil. Have we ever seen Pink Diamond in a flashback yet and seen what she was like? If not, then how can we call her a heartless tyrant, and know for certain that the human zoo was for "her own sick amusement?" I thought the implication was that she loved Earth and humanity, and the zoo was done out of that love - the sentiment was innocent but the expression of it (kidnapping and imprisoning) was twisted. I theorize that Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz might have actually bonded over their feelings towards Earth and Rose might have rehabilitated Pink had circumstances not taken a turn for the worse and forced Rose's sword against Pink Diamond (which, again, I suspect is Yellow Diamond's fault and she harbors secret guilt over it). We're already seeing some of that with Blue Diamond, who we never knew personally outside of Ruby and Sapphire's POV in their backstory, but now see that she's not at all what we might have pre-conceived her to be. In fact, that seems to be a big thing with the show's villains - it shows you the results of their actions first so that you get a perception of what they must be like, then challenge that perception when you get to see and learn more about them personally. Nothing changes that what they've done is wrong, bur the idea that their deeds invalidate their worth as living, sentient beings is not supported within the narrative. That's why it's unlikely for the show to have a CM aside from potentially White Diamond.


And Jasper? Jasper pretty much had no life and no personal connections - war and violence was literally all she knew, which is why she couldn't handle something deeper like fusion with other gems. Pink Diamond was pretty much the only person she ever cared about, so when Rose shattered her she was left with nothing and joined Yellow Diamond in order to "feel like less of a failure." That is valid reason to feel sorry for her, even if she wasn't redeemed or redeemable. Sure Jasper absolutely brought her fate on herself and got what she deserved, but at the same time there's reason to pity her and feel bad that her life had to even come to such a downfall. (And hypothetically I could say that I feel Amethysts' treatment of Greg when she pretended to be Rose for petty and sick reasons put ''her'' past the point of no return, so should that mean I shouldn't feel sad for her after Jasper put her down?) The way I see it, feeling bad for Jasper after her defeat despite all that she'd done isn't any different from, say, feeling bad for Princess Azula after her defeat despite all that she'd done. It's [[Cry For the Devil]] in effect.
And Jasper? Jasper pretty much had no life and no personal connections - war and violence was literally all she knew, which is why she couldn't handle something deeper like fusion with other gems. Pink Diamond was pretty much the only person she ever cared about, so when Rose shattered her she was left with nothing and joined Yellow Diamond in order to "feel like less of a failure." That is valid reason to feel sorry for her, even if she wasn't redeemed or redeemable. Sure Jasper absolutely brought her fate on herself and got what she deserved, but at the same time there's reason to pity her and feel bad that her life had to even come to such a downfall. (And hypothetically I could say that I feel Amethysts' treatment of Greg when she pretended to be Rose for petty and sick reasons put ''her'' past the point of no return, so should that mean I shouldn't feel sad for her after Jasper put her down?) The way I see it, feeling bad for Jasper after her defeat despite all that she'd done isn't any different from, say, feeling bad for Princess Azula after her defeat despite all that she'd done. It's [[Cry for the Devil]] in effect.


I also have not minded how Peridot and Lapis have been written at all - I actually find them to be some of the most entertaining characters on the show as of late.
I also have not minded how Peridot and Lapis have been written at all - I actually find them to be some of the most entertaining characters on the show as of late.