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I saw that yesterday a Lusamine write-up went up on the Pokemon CM page only to get almost immediately taken down, and both were done by you. I don't understand what was going on there but I'm sure you know full well that not only was Lusamine not discussed prior to the write-up, but she's on the "Examples That Should NOT Be Seen Here" entry of the page's Discussion page. And while TV Tropes' standards and criteria differ from ours in some areas, they also almost unanimously voted her down regardless of how anyone might personally feel about her and her crimes.
I saw that yesterday a Lusamine write-up went up on the Pokemon CM page only to get almost immediately taken down, and both were done by you. I don't understand what was going on there but I'm sure you know full well that not only was Lusamine not discussed prior to the write-up, but she's on the "Examples That Should NOT Be Seen Here" entry of the page's Discussion page. And while TV Tropes' standards and criteria differ from ours in some areas, they also almost unanimously voted her down regardless of how anyone might personally feel about her and her crimes.


There were a few inaccuracies to the write-up as well. Lusamine was called "most depraved, vile antagonist in the series to date", but this might seem like an opinionated statement since the bar has gone very high ever since Gen 4 (though Cyrus is looking better and better now that ''three'' Big Bads after him have been directly homicidal to the good guys whereas he was not). The "have them destroy the world" part left out some context for why she'd wanted that - she believed that Nihlego wanted to have an open wormhole between worlds to roam freely into the world just as she wanted it so that she could live in Ultra Space, with the whole "reality destruction" part being collateral damage. In typical Lusamine fashion, she believed she was acting "loving" towards the UBs and easing their pain and confusion when she would be in fact only ''causing'' them more pain and confusion by stranding them outside of Ultra Space. The "And even after being defeated in battle, she attempts to murder Lillie in a fit of rage" part is misleading because, IIRC, she'd tried to murder Lillie ''prior'' to being defeated in battle - when she went down for good, a part of her snapped awake from her intoxicated state and recognized that her child ''was'' beautiful on the inside and outside even without being dressed to resemble Nihilego, which had become her gold standard for perfect beauty and worthiness of affection. That along with what we hear about her having wanted to go to your Champion luau celebration at the end of the game suggests she's recovering and decreases, if not outright kills, her qualifying for CM. And last, the "it's an inhibition nullifier that caused her to act on existing urges" part was misinterpreted, as the "existing urges" that Lusamine acted on were the urges to ''love'' and give affection to what and who she saw as beautiful and in need of loving, while casting out anything not so (anything "ugly" and "undesirable"). In her normal state of mind with her inhibitions raised and properly functioning, Lusamine, while flawed and a bit shallow and conceited, was a loving parent, wife, and caretaker of Pokemon, having inherited a great love of needy Pokemon from her father who'd founded the company and being so dedicated to finding the lost love of her live (her husband Mohn, having been lost to a wormhole) and providing for her family that she continued the research and experiments on UBs, Ultra energy, and wormholes to begin with. But when intoxicated by Nihilego's Neurotoxins (which happens when Nihilego latches onto a host and pretty much ''possesses'' it, as Guzma detailed after his encounters with Nihilego in Ultra Space), her inhibitions and thus her moral compass are nullified and all of her natural feelings, thoughts, and actions are made to be directed towards and revolve around Nihilego, as is explained in Nihilego's Dex Entry about it's "protective measure." The postgame further elaborates on Lusamine's [[Start of Darkness]] and on the effects of UB Toxin, particularly Nihilego's, and establishes that while not in her right mind, Lusamine is a horrible monster, when she was ''in'' her right mind, she was fairly decent and caring despite any of her faults. Therefore, Lusamine's moral and mental agency was severely impaired even if it wasn't actual Brainwashing, which rules her out of counting as a CM. (Also, calling Type: Null a "chimera-abomination Pokemon" was rather on the cruel side seeing as, like other man-made Pokemon, it's shown to have positive qualities and existential value beyond the circumstances of it's birth.)
There were a few inaccuracies to the write-up as well. Lusamine was called "most depraved, vile antagonist in the series to date", but this might seem like an opinionated statement since the bar has gone very high ever since Gen 4 (though Cyrus is looking better and better now that ''three'' Big Bads after him have been directly homicidal to the good guys whereas he was not). The "have them destroy the world" part left out some context for why she'd wanted that - she believed that Nihlego wanted to have an open wormhole between worlds to roam freely into the world just as she wanted it so that she could live in Ultra Space, with the whole "reality destruction" part being collateral damage. In typical Lusamine fashion, she believed she was acting "loving" towards the UBs and easing their pain and confusion when she would be in fact only ''causing'' them more pain and confusion by stranding them outside of Ultra Space. The "And even after being defeated in battle, she attempts to murder Lillie in a fit of rage" part is misleading because, IIRC, she'd vowed to murder Lillie ''prior'' to being defeated in battle - when she went down for good, a part of her snapped awake from her intoxicated state and recognized that her child ''was'' beautiful on the inside and outside even without being dressed to resemble Nihilego, which had become her gold standard for perfect beauty and worthiness of affection. That along with what we hear about her having wanted to go to your Champion luau celebration at the end of the game suggests she's recovering and decreases, if not outright kills, her qualifying for CM. And last, the "it's an inhibition nullifier that caused her to act on existing urges" part was misinterpreted, as the "existing urges" that Lusamine acted on were the urges to ''love'' and give affection to what and who she saw as beautiful and in need of loving, while casting out anything not so (anything "ugly" and "undesirable"). In her normal state of mind with her inhibitions raised and properly functioning, Lusamine, while flawed and a bit shallow and conceited, was a loving parent, wife, and caretaker of Pokemon, having inherited a great love of needy Pokemon from her father who'd founded the company and being so dedicated to finding the lost love of her live (her husband Mohn, having been lost to a wormhole) and providing for her family that she continued the research and experiments on UBs, Ultra energy, and wormholes to begin with. But when intoxicated by Nihilego's Neurotoxins (which happens when Nihilego latches onto a host and pretty much ''possesses'' it, as Guzma detailed after his encounters with Nihilego in Ultra Space), her inhibitions and thus her moral compass are nullified and all of her natural feelings, thoughts, and actions are made to be directed towards and revolve around Nihilego, as is explained in Nihilego's Dex Entry about it's "protective measure." The postgame further elaborates on Lusamine's [[Start of Darkness]] and on the effects of UB Toxin, particularly Nihilego's, and establishes that while not in her right mind, Lusamine is a horrible monster, when she was ''in'' her right mind, she was fairly decent and caring despite any of her faults. Therefore, Lusamine's moral and mental agency was severely impaired even if it wasn't actual Brainwashing, which rules her out of counting as a CM. (Also, calling Type: Null a "chimera-abomination Pokemon" was rather on the cruel side seeing as, like other man-made Pokemon, it's shown to have positive qualities and existential value beyond the circumstances of it's birth.)


Please don't feel bad or go down on yourself for any misunderstandings here. This was an honest mistake that just needed some clearing up.
Please don't feel bad or go down on yourself for any misunderstandings here. This was an honest mistake that just needed some clearing up.