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 Well if you don't like being challenged that way, sure. I personally think it's clever writing to show us horrible things done by these individuals who make up "the enemy" that make us perceive them as "evil galactic conquerors" and nothing more, but then throw a curve ball at us by showing that they're, for lack of a better term, human too and have reasons for their actions that we might not have ever considered before, all while not trying to make us think that their actions are in any way okay and they don't need to be stopped - they aren't and they do, no question. They're still the bad guys, but not everything about them is bad just like far from everything about Rose Quartz was good.
-As for Jasper, she ''did'' have two [[Even Evil Has Standards]] moments - expressing disgust that Rose would hide herself in a human child, and calling Lapis a "monster" for being far more brutal in her violence towards her than she'd been towards her when they were inside the Malachite fusion - and everything about her character was written as a hardened, embittered warrior Gem whose life was war and nothing else, with all her talk about the battles she'd been in before and how she didn't understand the point of fusion beyond being "a cheap trick to make weak Gems stronger". In fact, once she finally experienced fusion herself, she had virtually no handle on it because it requires an actual working relationship rather than just fighting and thus her only takeaway from it was how much stronger the abusive dynamic with Lapis made her, which made her whole "take me back, Lapis!" pleading in ''Lost At Sea'' extra pitiful. She wasn't trying to manipulate Lapis - she legitimately felt that way about their Malachie fusion and was blind to what about it was so wrong and unhealthy. (Which actually ''does'' show her feelings of self-loathing since she so easily got so discouraged in her own strength that she became reliant on something or someone else to power her up). The last of her sympathetic qualities couldn't be revealed 'til the end because it'd spoil the Pink Diamond reveal, but I think Jasper was painted as a [[Tragic Monster]] successfully. If she'd been redeemed in that last episode it'd be another matter, but she wasn't - she couldn't be saved and got the [[Alas, Poor Villain]] treatment instead.
+As for Jasper, she ''did'' have two [[Even Evil Has Standards]] moments - expressing disgust that Rose would hide herself in a human child, and calling Lapis a "monster" for being far more brutal in her violence towards her than she'd been towards her when they were inside the Malachite fusion - and everything about her character was written as a hardened, embittered warrior Gem whose life was war and nothing else, with all her talk about the battles she'd been in before and how she didn't understand the point of fusion beyond being "a cheap trick to make weak Gems stronger". In fact, once she finally experienced fusion herself, she had virtually no handle on it because it requires an actual working relationship rather than just fighting and thus her only takeaway from it was how much stronger the abusive dynamic with Lapis made her, which made her whole "take me back, Lapis!" pleading in ''Lost At Sea'' extra pitiful. She wasn't trying to manipulate Lapis - she legitimately felt that way about their Malachie fusion and was blind to what about it was so wrong and unhealthy. (Which actually ''does'' show her feelings of self-loathing since she so easily got so discouraged in her own strength that she became reliant on something or someone else to power her up). The last of her sympathetic qualities couldn't be revealed 'til the end because it'd spoil the Pink Diamond reveal, but I think Jasper was painted as a [[Tragic Monster]] successfully. If she'd been redeemed in that last episode it'd be another matter, but she wasn't - she couldn't be saved from her own self-destruction and got the [[Alas, Poor Villain]] treatment instead.
 I can understand your position, but I just don't agree with it. It's pretty clear to me that a lot of what's going on in the show now was planned from the start - ''Steven Universe'' was never meant to be a show with a simplified "Heroes fighting in the name of [[Big Good]] Rose Quartz VS completely, utterly evil [[Big Bad]] Diamond Authority" conflict. The truth was always to be more complicated, and while the crimes committed by the enemy do not cease to be heinous, the enemy themselves aren't simply cartoonish evildoers - they're people with a different point of view in which Rose Quartz is their story's [[Big Bad]] and are dealing with their problems in entirely wrong ways. It's not a perfect show, but I don't think it's become a poorly written one. I honestly have more issues with the writing on the later seasons of ''Adventure Time'' than I do the later seasons of ''Steven Universe.''