Undertale/YMMV: Difference between revisions

** A more minor example but {{spoiler|when they say that the player has a "sick sense of morality" if we play the genocide route twice - is this because we played the genocide route twice, or because while there fine with killing for power, [[Even Evil Has Standards|killing for fun is too much for them]]; or alternatively, were they COMPLIMENTING the player}}?

** Dr. W.D. Gaster even more than the Fallen Child, as ''his actual existence'' is mere speculation.

* [[Angst Aversion]]: Not the game itself, which, when played as a Pacifist, is quite uplifting, but with the Genocide route. A lot of players, especially ones that got especially attached to the characters, actively avoid it (and any fanart and fanfic surrounding it) because they just find it too sad. This is of course the point.

* [[Anticlimax Boss]]:

** Papyrus thinks he is ''the'' most awesome person in the whole world. You still can't help but love him because he's always unflinchingly nice and helpful to everyone. He never looks down on people with smug superiority, but wants to help everyone else be ''almost'' as awesome as he is (equaling him is impossible)!

** Mettaton. Just about everybody both in-universe and out thinks he's absolutely delightful.

* [[Base Breaker]]: Alphys and Asgore are easily the biggest examples, with Toriel not too far behind.

** Asgore has people split into two camps: there are those who view him as irredeemable for being responsible for the deaths of six children and think that Toriel has every right to view him as a despicable monster {{spoiler|no matter how horrible he feels about it}}. Others, however, absolutely love him for being a rather complex and tragic [[Anti-Villain]] who was dealt an absolutely shitty hand in life thanks to {{spoiler|the death of his two children leading him to make a horrible mistake in the heat of the moment}}.

** Alphys, however, is even more decisive for similar reasons as Asgore: {{spoiler|she made a ''lot'' of awful mistakes that she regrets deeply, such as setting up a lot of dangerous obstacles she'd help the player overcome in order to boost her self-esteem, and creating the horrifying, tortured Amalgamates due to recklessly experimenting with determination}}. These have led to people loving and pitying her, while others look at her with scorn and view her as an irredeemably selfish bitch. Not helping matters is how overbearing her geeky, status-update spamming personality is: with some loving her for being a goofy nerd, while others loathe her for being obnoxious.

** While generally well-liked thanks to making a good first-impression, her actions in the True Pacifist ending have really gotten people's opinions split on Toriel. {{spoiler|While some think her cold, harsh treatment of Asgore is justified due to his actions, others think it's needlessly mean-spirited and cruel to kick a broken, grieving man while he's already down}}. Not helping matters is the relevation that {{spoiler|she was his queen, and that she ditched the throne to leave Asgore by himself. Was she in the right to abandon him due to abandoning the principles he once stood for? Or is she a selfish, hypocritical bitch for calling him a spineless coward when she herself abandoned him and their people during their time of need though the latter is largely mitigated by several neutral run endings which show she very much would have led her people if not for the war}}?

** Whether ''DELTARUNE'' should be considered ''Undertale 2'' or not. Those who say the latter claim that the games lore is too differant to fit continuity wise and should be considered an AU. Others point out {{spoiler|the heavy implications that this IS the main timeline but some outside force messed with it}}.

** Who was "right", Toriel or Asgore (see [[Ron the Death Eater]] below)?

* [[Complete Monster]]: While they're subjected to a lot of guesswork and theorizing in regards to how evil they truly are, this is definitely how the Fallen Child can come across when one looks at their actions and personality in the game proper. While they were definitely a troubled child in life, a Genocide run ends with {{spoiler|them taking control from the player and committing not only ''patricide'' and ''fratricide'', but ''omnicide'' as well. While the player was the one responsible for killing all the monsters leading up to this moment, the Fallen Child still makes the active choice to not only wipe out the game's world themselves whether the player likes it or not, but to sabotage the best ending by killing everyone, even their own adopted family afterwards should the player go for one again}}.

** Of course, the players themselves can aim to be one should they wish. While the Fallen Child is the one pulling the strings for the last portion of the game, in a Genocide run, the player themselves made the choice to kill every monster in their way, no matter how friendly or innocent they were, and you can easily go out of your way to be as cruel as possible: you can stab Toriel in the back after convincing her to stand down, murder the Royal Guards in front of each other after {{spoiler|getting them to confess to one another}}...

** The Fallen Child's nature is left deliberately ambiguous for the player to decode, but that hasn't stopped some theorists from trying to force their views on others. The [[Fan Wars]] can become quite bloody.

* [[Heartwarming in Hindsight]]: Toriel was already heartwarming by default, but when you later discover that the reason why Toriel treated you as her child is because {{spoiler|she's had children before and sees them in you. Also, she lives in the sealed ruins because this is where both her children's remains are}}.

* [[Holy Shit Quotient]]: The very *existence* of the sequel ''[[Deltarune]]'' was this.

* [[Idiosyncratic Ship Naming]]: "Fishbones" for Papyrus/Undyne, "Kingdings" for Asgore/Gaster, and "Fontcest" for Sans/Papyrus.

** Mettaton is a ghost monster given a robotic body by Dr. Alphys, as well as a massive star in the Underground for his TV shows and music. Gaining a love of humanity, he began manipulating Alphys while setting up traps for the humans, as well as using either manipulating or hiring other monsters into fighting Frisk. And then revealing his true plan to take Frisk's soul and go to the surface himself.

** Flowey the Flower had the powers of the player and the ambition to gain the human souls to become god, but could never get past Asgore. Thus they follow and wait for the Fallen Child/Frisk to defeat Asgore for him allowing him to take the souls. On the Pacifist route, now believing Frisk to be his long lost sibling, Flowey manipulates Papyrus into bringing all the monsters into one area. Before taking all of their souls to use with the human souls, becoming a god and reclaiming his original form Asriel Dreemurr.

* [[Player Punch]]: The game doesn't spare a bit into punching you in the feels.

* [[Polished Port]]: The [[PlayStation 4]] and [[PlayStation Vita]] versions had to make many technical changes to account for both the differing hardware and Sony's guidelines. And yet, for the most part, they managed to maintain the overall experience of the PC original.

** On the Genocide route, Papyrus... dear god Papyrus.

* [[Unintentionally Unsympathetic]]: A minor one, but {{spoiler|the Fallen Child saying the player had a "perverted sense of morality" seems to be an attempt at [[Even Evil Has Standards]]; instead, whether you interpret this as because they kill for power not fun or simply for doing genocide twice, it falls flat as they both hijack the Pacifist route ending no matter how many times you view it and had no reason to give the player a false sense of choice over to erase the world or not other than [[For the Evulz]], so it just makes them look like a hypocrite (unless it was meant to be a compliment)}}.