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** A more minor example but {{spoiler|when they say that the player has a "sick sense of morality" if we play the genocide route twice - is this because we played the genocide route twice, or because while there fine with killing for power, [[Even Evil Has Standards|killing for fun is too much for them]]; or alternatively, were they COMPLIMENTING the player}}?

** Dr. W.D. Gaster even more than the Fallen Child, as ''his actual existence'' is mere speculation.

* [[Angst Aversion]]: Not the game itself, which, when played as a Pacifist, is quite uplifting, but with the Genocide route. A lot of players, especially ones that got especially attached to the characters, actively avoid it (and any fanart and fanfic surrounding it) because they just find it too sad. This is of course the point.

* [[Anticlimax Boss]]:

** Papyrus thinks he is ''the'' most awesome person in the whole world. You still can't help but love him because he's always unflinchingly nice and helpful to everyone. He never looks down on people with smug superiority, but wants to help everyone else be ''almost'' as awesome as he is (equaling him is impossible)!

** Mettaton. Just about everybody both in-universe and out thinks he's absolutely delightful.

* [[Base Breaker]]: Alphys and Asgore are easily the biggest examples, with Toriel not too far behind.

** Asgore has people split into two camps: there are those who view him as irredeemable for being responsible for the deaths of six children and think that Toriel has every right to view him as a despicable monster {{spoiler|no matter how horrible he feels about it}}. Others, however, absolutely love him for being a rather complex and tragic [[Anti-Villain]] who was dealt an absolutely shitty hand in life thanks to {{spoiler|the death of his two children leading him to make a horrible mistake in the heat of the moment}}.

** Alphys, however, is even more decisive for similar reasons as Asgore: {{spoiler|she made a ''lot'' of awful mistakes that she regrets deeply, such as setting up a lot of dangerous obstacles she'd help the player overcome in order to boost her self-esteem, and creating the horrifying, tortured Amalgamates due to recklessly experimenting with determination}}. These have led to people loving and pitying her, while others look at her with scorn and view her as an irredeemably selfish bitch. Not helping matters is how overbearing her geeky, status-update spamming personality is: with some loving her for being a goofy nerd, while others loathe her for being obnoxious.

** While generally well-liked thanks to making a good first-impression, her actions in the True Pacifist ending have really gotten people's opinions split on Toriel. {{spoiler|While some think her cold, harsh treatment of Asgore is justified due to his actions, others think it's needlessly mean-spirited and cruel to kick a broken, grieving man while he's already down}}. Not helping matters is the relevation that {{spoiler|she was his queen, and that she ditched the throne to leave Asgore by himself. Was she in the right to abandon him due to abandoning the principles he once stood for? Or is she a selfish, hypocritical bitch for calling him a spineless coward when she herself abandoned him and their people during their time of need though the latter is largely mitigated by several neutral run endings which show she very much would have led her people if not for the war}}?

** Whether ''DELTARUNE'' should be considered ''Undertale 2'' or not. Those who say the latter claim that the games lore is too differant to fit continuity wise and should be considered an AU. Others point out {{spoiler|the heavy implications that this IS the main timeline but some outside force messed with it}}.

** Who was "right", Toriel or Asgore (see [[Ron the Death Eater]] below)?