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* Destructoid's ''[http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml Ten Golden Rules of Online Gaming]'' is a satirical how-to guide on becoming the stereotypical online gamer, including many elements of the SHFG and/or [[Scrub]] mentality. |
* Destructoid's ''[http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml Ten Golden Rules of Online Gaming]'' is a satirical how-to guide on becoming the stereotypical online gamer, including many elements of the SHFG and/or [[Scrub]] mentality. |
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* Several years back, a former tournament-level player called David Sirlin, who's now working for [[Capcom]], wrote an article called [http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html "Playing To Win"], which contrasted [[Scrub]]s and [[Tournament Play]]ers with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of "Stop Having Fun!" Guys for years. More recently, he followed it up with [http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html "Not Playing To Win"], a limited defense of casual play. |
* Several years back, a former tournament-level player called David Sirlin, who's now working for [[Capcom]], wrote an article called [http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html "Playing To Win"], which contrasted [[Scrub]]s and [[Tournament Play]]ers with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of "Stop Having Fun!" Guys for years. More recently, he followed it up with [http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html "Not Playing To Win"], a limited defense of casual play. |
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* Try to chat with people about anything other than the game. "You're here to ''talk''? Go join a chat room!" |
* Try to chat with people about anything other than the game. "You're here to ''talk''? Go join a chat room!" |
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=== Fighting Games === |
=== Fighting Games === |
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* The biggest, and perhaps most [[Memetic Mutation|goofy]] of all fighting games' SHFG goes to the ''entire'' [[Super Smash Bros]] series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per se. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[Internet Backdraft|and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] This is lovingly [http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]. The Tournament scene is arguably more well known for its Hatedom than anything else. Despite this, it's hard to find Brawl games that ''do'' allow items and break the [[Abridged Arena Array]]. |
* The biggest, and perhaps most [[Memetic Mutation|goofy]] of all fighting games' SHFG goes to the ''entire'' [[Super Smash Bros]] series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per se. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[Internet Backdraft|and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] This is lovingly [http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]. The Tournament scene is arguably more well known for its Hatedom than anything else. Despite this, it's hard to find Brawl games that ''do'' allow items and break the [[Abridged Arena Array]]. |
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* ''[[Minecraft]]'' is young yet, but it's already got SHFGs lurking around the forums. Since the game is still in alpha, they dedicate their time not to deriding people for playing wrong, but to demanding Notch make alterations to the game to force people to play it "right". This includes everything from removing any feature whose only practical purpose is the creativity factor, to altering the way certain tools work ''for aesthetic reasons''. |
* ''[[Minecraft]]'' is young yet, but it's already got SHFGs lurking around the forums. Since the game is still in alpha, they dedicate their time not to deriding people for playing wrong, but to demanding Notch make alterations to the game to force people to play it "right". This includes everything from removing any feature whose only practical purpose is the creativity factor, to altering the way certain tools work ''for aesthetic reasons''. |
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| ⚫ | * Sports in general are not only treated as Very [[Serious Business]] but also are a breeding ground for these. Too many examples to count, we'll just leave it at that, but we'll also say that it is usually justified in the professional level, since 'having fun' typically takes a back seat to the millions of dollars that are at stake at that level. |
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| ⚫ | * Hunting and Fishing have often been known to attract these types. But of course there are quite a bit of people who're willing to give you some slack. Not everyone is really going to be performing at their peak when it's five in the morning, or lucky enough to catch a really big one. But there are people who can be yelling at you for catching ''too much'' fish or getting a kill bigger than they got. Oh you got a bigger trophy than I did? Beginner's luck...I got a bigger one? What finesse! What skill! |
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| ⚫ | ** Of particular note for mass hilarity is ice fishing, though some tournaments do state upfront they ban all but certain specific ways of fishing. Go ahead and use a spear or large handheld net normally though. Just do it. Lets ignore the fact the Inuit have done it this way for centuries, civilized people only use rod & tackle, same as in normal fishing... and God help you if you're sitting on anything other than your bait box. A lawn chair? You scummy suburbanite trendwhore! How dare you also dress comfortably! |
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| ⚫ | * British amateur ski-jump enthusiast Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards was able to compete in the 1988 Winter Olympic Games in Calgary due to a rule allowing a nation to send an athlete in any sport for which there was a competititon, regardless of previous achievements by that athlete. Edwards, a middle-aged, myopic man who looks more like an ice cream vendor than an athlete, was to be honest a really, really bad ski-jumper. But his enthusiasm for the sport, as well as his "never give up" attitude and his statements that he was here for the "fun of competing in the Olympics", endeared him to the general public. Unfortunately, many of the "big name" jumpers felt that Edwards was "making a mockery" of the sport by being so bad at it and yet daring to compete in the Olympics with anything but a "win or die" attitude. Shortly after the Olympics finished, the entry requirements were greatly toughened, making it next to impossible for any other self-funded, self-trained amateur athletes to gain entry into the Olympics. |
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| ⚫ | * [[Played For Laughs]] in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmUj9QJ9RM this video]. "THIS IS A SERIOUS GAME." Cue [[Scrub|The Scrub]] being named [[Star Wars|Boba Fett]], steal the last kill, butt-fuck one of the characters which sets off a chain reaction, resulting in that character killing the other "Stop Having Fun!" Guy's character. |
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== Card Games == |
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* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' If any game can be considered personification of this trope, this would be it. It seems like the majority of duelists who play the game are like this, netdecking like crazy, dismissing cards that aren't [[Too Awesome to Use]] as utter crap, and completely willing to ''rape'' the 10% of players who only play the game for fun. Flame wars have been started over duelists asking how to make a good Elemental Hero deck (considered [[So Bad It's Horrible]] among the elite), with both sides being chewed out as talentless, brainless hacks. Also the Seven Staples (a group of Broken cards) once made even the most fearsome high attack monsters like the Blue-Eyes White Dragon useless as they would be decimated the moment they are summoned by a simple pit. |
* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' If any game can be considered personification of this trope, this would be it. It seems like the majority of duelists who play the game are like this, netdecking like crazy, dismissing cards that aren't [[Too Awesome to Use]] as utter crap, and completely willing to ''rape'' the 10% of players who only play the game for fun. Flame wars have been started over duelists asking how to make a good Elemental Hero deck (considered [[So Bad It's Horrible]] among the elite), with both sides being chewed out as talentless, brainless hacks. Also the Seven Staples (a group of Broken cards) once made even the most fearsome high attack monsters like the Blue-Eyes White Dragon useless as they would be decimated the moment they are summoned by a simple pit. |
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** The seriousness of the fanbase is [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] in ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX]]'', where the main character, Judai, will regularly remind opponents that dueling is supposed to be fun. These people will always act [[Serious Business|shocked and amazed]], believing Judai to be foolish and childish. Judai is the source of the Elemental Hero deck to begin with, having debuted it in GX. Later, as part of his [[Deconstruction]], Judai develops this mentality himself, and part of Season 4 is an attempt by his friends help him regain his old passion for the game. |
** The seriousness of the fanbase is [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] in ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX]]'', where the main character, Judai, will regularly remind opponents that dueling is supposed to be fun. These people will always act [[Serious Business|shocked and amazed]], believing Judai to be foolish and childish. Judai is the source of the Elemental Hero deck to begin with, having debuted it in GX. Later, as part of his [[Deconstruction]], Judai develops this mentality himself, and part of Season 4 is an attempt by his friends help him regain his old passion for the game. |
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** However, poker games do not even necessarily have to be played for money. Tournament-style games needn't be played for anything at all (although usually still are played for money and/or trophies); cash-games (a.k.a. ring-games) must be played using resources outside of the game to bet, which is usually money, but you can use paperclips or your blood or whatever you own if you wish to enter such a game. |
** However, poker games do not even necessarily have to be played for money. Tournament-style games needn't be played for anything at all (although usually still are played for money and/or trophies); cash-games (a.k.a. ring-games) must be played using resources outside of the game to bet, which is usually money, but you can use paperclips or your blood or whatever you own if you wish to enter such a game. |
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* You can expect to be lambasted by many a rock music fan if you enjoy hip-hop, country, dance or anything that isn't considered "real" music by them. Even worse, every genre and sub-genre of music has its own share of elitists telling you what is and isn't appropriate to listen to. God forbid you enjoy any mainstream hip-hop artists, or don't particularly care for the underground/lyrical rapper types, because if so you are part of the people who are killing "real hip-hop" and don't know what true rap is all about. |
* You can expect to be lambasted by many a rock music fan if you enjoy hip-hop, country, dance or anything that isn't considered "real" music by them. Even worse, every genre and sub-genre of music has its own share of elitists telling you what is and isn't appropriate to listen to. God forbid you enjoy any mainstream hip-hop artists, or don't particularly care for the underground/lyrical rapper types, because if so you are part of the people who are killing "real hip-hop" and don't know what true rap is all about. |
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** Fans of older music such as the Rolling Stones or the Beatles will lambast others for listening to modern music and modern music fans will likewise lambast older music fans for not liking new stuff. Ok, maybe the older music fan just reall likes earlier musical movements over the newer ones and the modern music fan happens to genuinely enjoy modern music ok people? |
** Fans of older music such as the Rolling Stones or the Beatles will lambast others for listening to modern music and modern music fans will likewise lambast older music fans for not liking new stuff. Ok, maybe the older music fan just reall likes earlier musical movements over the newer ones and the modern music fan happens to genuinely enjoy modern music ok people? |
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** [[Heavy Metal]] itself isn't immune to this trope, with the "[[Fan Dumb|True Metalheads]]" bashing [[Nu Metal]], [[Hard Rock]] and *Core fans among other genres. The exceptions for this bashing may be at best [[Thrash Metal]], [[Death Metal]], [[Black Metal]] and classic 80s [[Heavy Metal]]. Oh, and they will ''hate'' you for liking, among other things, ''[[Iron Maiden|"The X Factor", "Virtual XI"]], [[Megadeth|"Risk"]], [[Nightwish|"Dark Passion Play"]], [[Metallica|"Load", "ReLoad", "St. Anger"]],'' [[Helloween]]'s [[Replacement Scrappy|Andi Deris]]'s era stuff, [[Pantera]]'s pre-Nineties stuff, and many other things. |
** [[Heavy Metal]] itself isn't immune to this trope, with the "[[Fan Dumb|True Metalheads]]" bashing [[Nu Metal]], [[Hard Rock]] and *Core fans among other genres. The exceptions for this bashing may be at best [[Thrash Metal]], [[Death Metal]], [[Black Metal]] and classic 80s [[Heavy Metal]]. Oh, and they will ''hate'' you for liking, among other things, ''[[Iron Maiden|"The X Factor", "Virtual XI"]], [[Megadeth|"Risk"]], [[Nightwish|"Dark Passion Play"]], [[Metallica|"Load", "ReLoad", "St. Anger"]],'' [[Helloween]]'s [[Replacement Scrappy|Andi Deris]]'s era stuff, [[Pantera]]'s pre-Nineties stuff, and many other things. |
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| ⚫ | * Sports in general are not only treated as Very [[Serious Business]] but also are a breeding ground for these. Too many examples to count, we'll just leave it at that, but we'll also say that it is usually justified in the professional level, since 'having fun' typically takes a back seat to the millions of dollars that are at stake at that level. |
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| ⚫ | * Hunting and Fishing have often been known to attract these types. But of course there are quite a bit of people who're willing to give you some slack. Not everyone is really going to be performing at their peak when it's five in the morning, or lucky enough to catch a really big one. But there are people who can be yelling at you for catching ''too much'' fish or getting a kill bigger than they got. Oh you got a bigger trophy than I did? Beginner's luck...I got a bigger one? What finesse! What skill! |
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| ⚫ | ** Of particular note for mass hilarity is ice fishing, though some tournaments do state upfront they ban all but certain specific ways of fishing. Go ahead and use a spear or large handheld net normally though. Just do it. Lets ignore the fact the Inuit have done it this way for centuries, civilized people only use rod & tackle, same as in normal fishing... and God help you if you're sitting on anything other than your bait box. A lawn chair? You scummy suburbanite trendwhore! How dare you also dress comfortably! |
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| ⚫ | * British amateur ski-jump enthusiast Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards was able to compete in the 1988 Winter Olympic Games in Calgary due to a rule allowing a nation to send an athlete in any sport for which there was a competititon, regardless of previous achievements by that athlete. Edwards, a middle-aged, myopic man who looks more like an ice cream vendor than an athlete, was to be honest a really, really bad ski-jumper. But his enthusiasm for the sport, as well as his "never give up" attitude and his statements that he was here for the "fun of competing in the Olympics", endeared him to the general public. Unfortunately, many of the "big name" jumpers felt that Edwards was "making a mockery" of the sport by being so bad at it and yet daring to compete in the Olympics with anything but a "win or die" attitude. Shortly after the Olympics finished, the entry requirements were greatly toughened, making it next to impossible for any other self-funded, self-trained amateur athletes to gain entry into the Olympics. |
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| ⚫ | * [[Played For Laughs]] in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmUj9QJ9RM this video]. "THIS IS A SERIOUS GAME." Cue [[Scrub|The Scrub]] being named [[Star Wars|Boba Fett]], steal the last kill, butt-fuck one of the characters which sets off a chain reaction, resulting in that character killing the other "Stop Having Fun!" Guy's character. |
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| ⚫ | * [[TV Tropes]] developed its own variety of "Stop Having Fun!" Guys, who made it their mission to eradicate every bit of humor or whimsy that conflicted with their particular vision for the wiki. Some even camped the [[Made of Win]] pages specifically in order to discover things to delete. Fortunately, they have yet to manifest here at All The Tropes. |
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* Art in general tends to attract this trope, mostly thanks to the [[True Art]] tropes that can be at play. |
* Art in general tends to attract this trope, mostly thanks to the [[True Art]] tropes that can be at play. |
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* Film preference can be bad about this. Fan or lover of an [[Epic Movie]]? You're a [[Lowest Common Denominator]] [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|with no real taste or idea]] of what separates the [[True Art|real stuff]] from those [[Cliche Storm]]s that Hollywood belches out... And yes, it even happens here on All The Tropes. |
* Film preference can be bad about this. Fan or lover of an [[Epic Movie]]? You're a [[Lowest Common Denominator]] [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|with no real taste or idea]] of what separates the [[True Art|real stuff]] from those [[Cliche Storm]]s that Hollywood belches out... And yes, it even happens here on All The Tropes. |
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* Older people expressing an interest in activities or forms of entertainment that are more commonly associated with kids or teenagers are routinely belittled as being losers, immature, creepy, etc. Once you turn twenty-five, you are apparently no longer permitted to enjoy cartoons, video games, cosplay, fanfiction, anime, Halloween or anything else that has been arbitrarily designated as "kids/teens only." The only way you're allowed to enjoy such things unironically is vicariously through a kid, either yours or one that you "borrowed" so you'd have an excuse to do "kid stuff." Stop having fun, old guys, lest someone label you a stunted deviant that won't grow up because you own a PS3. And never mind that the people who created the material for consumption by kids only are usually in their late twenties, thirties, or even *GASP!* their forties (my God, why are people allowed to live to that age???). |
* Older people expressing an interest in activities or forms of entertainment that are more commonly associated with kids or teenagers are routinely belittled as being losers, immature, creepy, etc. Once you turn twenty-five, you are apparently no longer permitted to enjoy cartoons, video games, cosplay, fanfiction, anime, Halloween or anything else that has been arbitrarily designated as "kids/teens only." The only way you're allowed to enjoy such things unironically is vicariously through a kid, either yours or one that you "borrowed" so you'd have an excuse to do "kid stuff." Stop having fun, old guys, lest someone label you a stunted deviant that won't grow up because you own a PS3. And never mind that the people who created the material for consumption by kids only are usually in their late twenties, thirties, or even *GASP!* their forties (my God, why are people allowed to live to that age???). |
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* This is the attitude of many [[NaNoWriMo]] haters, who seem to have the mindset of, [[Completely Missing the Point|"If you can't write a PERFECT novel in 30 days, you shouldn't bother!"]] |
* This is the attitude of many [[NaNoWriMo]] haters, who seem to have the mindset of, [[Completely Missing the Point|"If you can't write a PERFECT novel in 30 days, you shouldn't bother!"]] |
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| ⚫ | * [[TV Tropes]] developed its own variety of "Stop Having Fun!" Guys, who made it their mission to eradicate every bit of humor or whimsy that conflicted with their particular vision for the wiki. Some even camped the [[Made of Win]] pages specifically in order to discover things to delete. Fortunately, they have yet to manifest here at All The Tropes. |
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{{quote|You do realize that [[Mass Effect|wooing aliens]]/[[Super Mario Brothers|eating mushrooms]]/[[Modern Warfare|killing passengers]] doesn't make you cool like real galactic badasses/plumbers/terrorists, right? Do you hear me? Stop having fun!}} |
{{quote|You do realize that [[Mass Effect|wooing aliens]]/[[Super Mario Brothers|eating mushrooms]]/[[Modern Warfare|killing passengers]] doesn't make you cool like real galactic badasses/plumbers/terrorists, right? Do you hear me? Stop having fun!}} |
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