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** While the [[Big Bad]] of ''[[Pokémon X and Y]]'' has a sympathetic backstory and does show regret over having to kill all the innocent Pokémon in the crossfire of his plan to wipeout mankind, most of his Grunts as a whole make up for his likability. While comedic, they're so smug, boorish, and delighted at the thought of wiping out all the people that they deem inferior that it's satisfying to watch them freak out after beating them in a Pokémon battle.
** While the [[Big Bad]] of ''[[Pokémon X and Y]]'' has a sympathetic backstory and does show regret over having to kill all the innocent Pokémon in the crossfire of his plan to wipeout mankind, most of his Grunts as a whole make up for his likability. While comedic, they're so smug, boorish, and delighted at the thought of wiping out all the people that they deem inferior that it's satisfying to watch them freak out after beating them in a Pokémon battle.
** {{spoiler|Lusamine}} from ''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]'' is interesting in the sense that she's an ''unintentional'' example of this trope. On paper, she's a tragic example of {{spoiler|a once-loving parent [[Mind Rape|Mind Raped]] into insanity by an interdimensional [[Eldritch Abomination]]}}. But thanks to the execution, she comes off as {{spoiler|an abusive sociopath whose cruelty towards her own children and any Pokémon that are unfortunate to cross her path make her beyond any sort of redemption, alien brainwashing or not}}. Not helping matters is her extreme narcissism and the vagueness surrounding {{spoiler|Nihilego's influence on its victims, since the game itself can't decide if she's a helpless pawn or a bad woman turned worse}}. This led to a lot of fans disgusted with her to the point of comparing her to {{spoiler|''Ghetsis''}}, and likely played a part in just about every incarnation of her in future media having their vile traits toned ''way'' down.
** {{spoiler|Lusamine}} from ''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]'' is interesting in the sense that she's an ''unintentional'' example of this trope. On paper, she's a tragic example of {{spoiler|a once-loving parent [[Mind Rape|Mind Raped]] into insanity by an interdimensional [[Eldritch Abomination]]}}. But thanks to the execution, she comes off as {{spoiler|an abusive sociopath whose cruelty towards her own children and any Pokémon that are unfortunate to cross her path make her beyond any sort of redemption, alien brainwashing or not}}. Not helping matters is her extreme narcissism and the vagueness surrounding {{spoiler|Nihilego's influence on its victims, since the game itself can't decide if she's a helpless pawn or a bad woman turned worse}}. This led to a lot of fans disgusted with her to the point of comparing her to {{spoiler|''Ghetsis''}}, and likely played a part in just about every incarnation of her in future media having their vile traits toned ''way'' down.
** Melli from ''Legends Arceus'' is aggressively rude and confrontational towards you, and is a constant thorn in your side while you try to calm down the Lord Pokémon he's tasked with looking after. A vain, foppish [[Smug Snake]] of a man, absolutely ''no one'' likes him, and his antics aren't likely to win you over either.
* ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''. As it's rather hard to develop much hatred for a giant, emotionless crustacean regardless of how many people it kills (and even harder to keep coming up with excuses to wind up in the ocean having boss fights with it), Seymour keeps popping up in the plot to provide a ''speaking'' villain for the party to fight on land instead of Sin. While he does have his own motivations and does get somewhat tied into the plot with Sin, his personal impact on the story itself is quite minimal overall aside from providing ever more complex boss fights {{spoiler|after you kill him and he just keeps creating ever more elaborate boss forms for himself.}}
* ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''. As it's rather hard to develop much hatred for a giant, emotionless crustacean regardless of how many people it kills (and even harder to keep coming up with excuses to wind up in the ocean having boss fights with it), Seymour keeps popping up in the plot to provide a ''speaking'' villain for the party to fight on land instead of Sin. While he does have his own motivations and does get somewhat tied into the plot with Sin, his personal impact on the story itself is quite minimal overall aside from providing ever more complex boss fights {{spoiler|after you kill him and he just keeps creating ever more elaborate boss forms for himself.}}
* ''[[Resident Evil 2]]'' is unusual for the Resident Evil series (along with Resident Evil 3) for not featuring Albert Wesker, since at the time he was thought to be deceased after the Tyrant impaled him in the chest (and even if he were, one could argue he's [[Evil Is Cool|too cool]] to qualify for this trope, at least after he gained powers). The main antagonist of the game, William Birkin, though responsible for Raccoon City being infected with the T-Virus (which inevitably leads to a nuke destroying the city when the zombies grow too numerous for even the military to handle), was shown to [[Even Evil Has Loved Ones|love his family]] and was simply trying to recover the G-Virus, his life's work, from Umbrella before leaving the company. So whose left to hate? None other than Brian Irons, the corrupt police chief who not only was responsible for keeping STARS from revealing the truth about Umbrella (even though both STARS and BRAVO were devastated by the creatures that they had created), but was also taking bribes from Umbrella, is [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|violently aggressive]] towards women, prevents survivors from escaping Raccoon City (including his own men who he shoots when he believes that he is infected with the T-Virus), and last but not least, kidnaps the mayor's daughter and kills her so that he can stuff her as a trophy.
* ''[[Resident Evil 2]]'' is unusual for the Resident Evil series (along with Resident Evil 3) for not featuring Albert Wesker, since at the time he was thought to be deceased after the Tyrant impaled him in the chest (and even if he were, one could argue he's [[Evil Is Cool|too cool]] to qualify for this trope, at least after he gained powers). The main antagonist of the game, William Birkin, though responsible for Raccoon City being infected with the T-Virus (which inevitably leads to a nuke destroying the city when the zombies grow too numerous for even the military to handle), was shown to [[Even Evil Has Loved Ones|love his family]] and was simply trying to recover the G-Virus, his life's work, from Umbrella before leaving the company. So whose left to hate? None other than Brian Irons, the corrupt police chief who not only was responsible for keeping STARS from revealing the truth about Umbrella (even though both STARS and BRAVO were devastated by the creatures that they had created), but was also taking bribes from Umbrella, is [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|violently aggressive]] towards women, prevents survivors from escaping Raccoon City (including his own men who he shoots when he believes that he is infected with the T-Virus), and last but not least, kidnaps the mayor's daughter and kills her so that he can stuff her as a trophy.
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** The King of the Dark World from ''Deltarune'' however is a true example of this trope. He's a thoroughly selfish, sadistic bastard and a horribly abusive father with no good traits whatsoever. When the heroes decide to show him mercy, he even takes advantage of their kindness by brutalizing and almost killing them. {{spoiler|At least in Chapter 1. In Chapter 2, he does develop a small redeeming quality with the implication that he does care about Lancer and was bluffing when he said he'd kill him.}}
** The King of the Dark World from ''Deltarune'' however is a true example of this trope. He's a thoroughly selfish, sadistic bastard and a horribly abusive father with no good traits whatsoever. When the heroes decide to show him mercy, he even takes advantage of their kindness by brutalizing and almost killing them. {{spoiler|At least in Chapter 1. In Chapter 2, he does develop a small redeeming quality with the implication that he does care about Lancer and was bluffing when he said he'd kill him.}}
* ''[[Animal Crossing]]'' has another invoked example in [[No Fair Cheating|Resetti]], [[Foil|in a completely opposite role to the aforementioned]] [[Undertale|Flowey]]. His main job is to prevent players from resetting the game by acting as a deterrent, which means acting like a loud [[Jerkass]] by lecturing the player endlessly and forcing him to say certain words for the player to be left alone. [[Gone Horribly Right|It worked a little too well (there were reports of young children crying because of his attitude)]], so he was [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap|toned down]] in ''New Leaf'' by making him an optional feature, giving certain options when he appears to prevent his lectures, and emphasizing his [[Jerkass Woobie|pitiful traits]] and [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|benevolent intentions]]. [[Never Live It Down|Don't expect fans to live his previous reputation down, though.]]
* ''[[Animal Crossing]]'' has another invoked example in [[No Fair Cheating|Resetti]], [[Foil|in a completely opposite role to the aforementioned]] [[Undertale|Flowey]]. His main job is to prevent players from resetting the game by acting as a deterrent, which means acting like a loud [[Jerkass]] by lecturing the player endlessly and forcing him to say certain words for the player to be left alone. [[Gone Horribly Right|It worked a little too well (there were reports of young children crying because of his attitude)]], so he was [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap|toned down]] in ''New Leaf'' by making him an optional feature, giving certain options when he appears to prevent his lectures, and emphasizing his [[Jerkass Woobie|pitiful traits]] and [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|benevolent intentions]]. [[Never Live It Down|Don't expect fans to live his previous reputation down, though.]]
** For a proper example, there's Crazy Redd for being a swindling huckster that lives for conning people out of their money. Not only did he screw over his partner in crime Lyle ''and'' his legitimate business partner Tom Nook, but the fact that he's your main vector for obtaining paintings means that he'll screw ''you'' over by trying (and in older games, likely succeeding) to trick you into buying forgeries that are worthless to you. The more you lose money to his scams, the more you'll want to punch this foul-hearted fox's lights out.
* ''[[Digital Devil Saga]]'' doesn't have a clear cut villain, as all antagonists have legitimate reasons for what they do and have extremely cool traits to boot. Because of this, the duology gives us {{spoiler|[[Mad Scientist|Serph Sheffield]], [[The Hero|Serph]]'s human template and [[Bigger Bad|the catalyst for every tragedy in the story]]. He was a sociopathic [[Smug Snake]] who wanted to become [[God]] by performing callous experiments on [[The Woobie|Sera]], [[Bitch in Sheep's Clothing|whom he frequently manipulated at every turn]]; dismissing [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|Heat O'Brien]]'s concerns about it, and has him killed for trying to stop him, [[Hoist by His Own Petard|which led to Sera snapping and angering God himself, transforming him into a demon and killing him not soon after]]. Poor [[Nice Guy|Serph]] was ''horrified'' about this, and when fighting him as the Fake Varna, he shows he hasn't changed one bit, which makes all the more satisfying when you finally kick his ass.}}
* ''[[Digital Devil Saga]]'' doesn't have a clear cut villain, as all antagonists have legitimate reasons for what they do and have extremely cool traits to boot. Because of this, the duology gives us {{spoiler|[[Mad Scientist|Serph Sheffield]], [[The Hero|Serph]]'s human template and [[Bigger Bad|the catalyst for every tragedy in the story]]. He was a sociopathic [[Smug Snake]] who wanted to become [[God]] by performing callous experiments on [[The Woobie|Sera]], [[Bitch in Sheep's Clothing|whom he frequently manipulated at every turn]]; dismissing [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|Heat O'Brien]]'s concerns about it, and has him killed for trying to stop him, [[Hoist by His Own Petard|which led to Sera snapping and angering God himself, transforming him into a demon and killing him not soon after]]. Poor [[Nice Guy|Serph]] was ''horrified'' about this, and when fighting him as the Fake Varna, he shows he hasn't changed one bit, which makes all the more satisfying when you finally kick his ass.}}
* While he was more stupid and later in life, insane, than truly malicious, you'll absolutely want to punch Ted Faro's teeth in after hearing how he sent the world of ''Horizon Zero Dawn'' down the toilet. {{spoiler|Thanks to his negligence, the robots his company created turned into genocidal human-eating machines that destroyed ''all life on Earth'', save for survivors hidden deep in bunkers. While Elizabet Sobeck and her AI Gaia were able to restore the world, Faro would go on to delete the archives that would teach the re-cloned humans Earth's history and kill all the Zero Dawn personnel so they couldn't somehow reverse it, which forced humanity back to the stone-age and reset its evolution all out of a mix of guilt-induced insanity and wanting to cover his ass so he wouldn't be remembered as humanity's greatest monster. And just in case you don't hate him enough, he got to live out his last days in the luxury of his swanky private bunker while the rest of mankind suffered.}}
* While he was more stupid and later in life, insane, than truly malicious, you'll absolutely want to punch Ted Faro's teeth in after hearing how he sent the world of ''Horizon Zero Dawn'' down the toilet. {{spoiler|Thanks to his negligence, the robots his company created turned into genocidal human-eating machines that destroyed ''all life on Earth'', save for survivors hidden deep in bunkers. While Elizabet Sobeck and her AI Gaia were able to restore the world, Faro would go on to delete the archives that would teach the re-cloned humans Earth's history and kill all the Zero Dawn personnel so they couldn't somehow reverse it, which forced humanity back to the stone-age and reset its evolution all out of a mix of guilt-induced insanity and wanting to cover his ass so he wouldn't be remembered as humanity's greatest monster. And just in case you don't hate him enough, he got to live out his last days in the luxury of his swanky private bunker while the rest of mankind suffered.}}