It's Not Porn, It's Art: Difference between revisions

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{{quote|''I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description hard-core [[:Category:Pornography|pornography]]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it...''|'''Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart''', ''Jacobellis v. Ohio''}}
|'''Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart''', ''Jacobellis v. Ohio''}}
 
It's got lots of naked women (or men) in suggestive poses. But it's thoroughly artistic—I swear! Therefore it can't be considered pornography, and it doesn't matter that it's [[Porn Stash|hidden under my bed]].
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== Anime &and Manga ==
* Inverted in ''[[Hana Kimi]]'', when [[Wholesome Crossdresser|Mizuki]] buys an illustrated book that contains some nude photos. She doesn't want to show it to Sano, claiming she doesn't want him to look at porn, though in this case it really ''is'' art.
* In ''[[Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai]]'', Sena is caught playing an [[Eroge]] called [[The Sacred Blacksmith|The Sacred]] [[Bland-Name Product|Blackstar]]. She insists that it's art, so Yozora makes her read the dialogue of [["Glad to Be Alive" Sex|the last scene]] out loud.
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** Quite a few artists from around the 19th century ran into this problem, I think-at the very least Thomas Eakins got into trouble for this(and a variety of other indiscretions). Sort of what happens when you get the right combination of prudery, the dawn of public art exhibitions, and artist not being dead enough to get away with nudes.
* Likewise, photos of nude women were considered art during photography's heyday as a serious art form, as photography was a recent invention at the time and widely considered a luxury few could afford to maintain. In particular, posing prepubescent girls for nude photos was in vogue when [[Lewis Carroll|a certain well-known mathematician and writer of nonsense children's literature]] decided to get in on the photography craze. Unfortunately, [[Values Dissonance]] and a lack of cultural context led some independent biographers to believe he had an unhealthy interest in young girls.
* This Tropetrope is often emphasized by "erotic fantasy" artists like [[Frank Frazetta]] and the husband-wife team of [[Boris Vallejo]] and Julie Bell, all "notorious" for their paintings of scantily clad or nude women (and occasionally men) in fantasy settings.
 
 
== Comics ==
== Comic Books ==
* A really weird version happens in "Scarecrow: Year One." Jonathan Crane is about thirteen years old, and at dinner his ''very'' religious grandmother remarks that she looked under his bed, and the terrified and embarrassed look on little Crane's face makes the reader pretty certain Gran found a Playboy - but then she pulls out an anthology of James Joyce short stories. She proceeds to [[Poor Man's Porn|accuse him of masturbating to it]] and punishes him harshly, as though it really were porn, while little Crane protests, "It's literature, Gran!" May actually be something to that accusation, as Joyce's Letters to Nora were... [http://everything2.com/title/James+Joyce%2527s+love+letters+to+Nora+Barnacle impressive].
* When [[Green Lantern|Kyle Rayner]] and [[Wonder Woman|Donna Troy]] broke up, it was for a variety of different reasons. But the thing that kicked it off was Donna Troy walking in on Kyle sketching a topless woman in his apartment and not appreciating his defense of, "But I'm an artist! It's what I do!"
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== Music ==
* The Dead Kennedys included a print of H.R. Giger's painting "Penis Landscape" (which depicted a wall of penises entering a wall of vaginas) with their landmark album ''Frankenchrist''. Members of the band were charged with Distributing Harmful Matter to Minors basebased donon this, and though the case did not result in a conviction (the painting was, finally, ruled "art" and not "porn"), the band's Alternative Tentacles record label was driven almost to bankruptcy because of trial costs.
 
 
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== Real Life ==
* In US law, one of the few ways that a work can be banned is if it's declared '"obscene".' One of the requirements of being declared obscene is that it has no artistic value. In other words, porn depicting naked people can be banned but ''art'' depicting naked people can not. This distinction has never been made clear, with "I know it when I see it" being the precedent. This has earned the nick name "the limp dick test" in some legal circles.
 
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