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* In ''[[Death Note]]'', Near's response to {{spoiler|Light Yagami's}} [[Motive Rant]] was to tell him {{spoiler|that "you're nothing more than a crazy mass murderer."}} |
* In ''[[Death Note]]'', Near's response to {{spoiler|Light Yagami's}} [[Motive Rant]] was to tell him {{spoiler|that "you're nothing more than a crazy mass murderer."}} |
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== ComicBooks == |
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== Comics == |
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* In volume 4 of ''[[Empowered]]'', the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention [[Broken Pedestal|breaking her own pedestal]], since Empowered ''was'' a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. {{spoiler|She's not.}} |
* In volume 4 of ''[[Empowered]]'', the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention [[Broken Pedestal|breaking her own pedestal]], since Empowered ''was'' a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. {{spoiler|She's not.}} |
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* In both the graphic novel ''[[Watchmen (comics)|Watchmen]]'' and film adaptation of the selfsame, {{spoiler|[[Big Bad|Ozymandias]]}} is moved to set his [[Batman Gambit|plan]] into action after The Comedian mocks (Captain Metropolis in the novel, {{spoiler|Ozymandias}} himself in the film) for trying to form a [[Super Team]] and points out that with the [[Cold War]] inching mankind closer to nuclear annihilation with each passing moment ideals like "right" and "wrong" were outdated. |
* In both the graphic novel ''[[Watchmen (comics)|Watchmen]]'' and film adaptation of the selfsame, {{spoiler|[[Big Bad|Ozymandias]]}} is moved to set his [[Batman Gambit|plan]] into action after The Comedian mocks (Captain Metropolis in the novel, {{spoiler|Ozymandias}} himself in the film) for trying to form a [[Super Team]] and points out that with the [[Cold War]] inching mankind closer to nuclear annihilation with each passing moment ideals like "right" and "wrong" were outdated. |
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== Fan Works == |
== Fan Works == |
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* ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon]]'': Though she's just a member of the [[Girl Posse]], not the actual [[Alpha Bitch]] herself (that's Emiru), Mia makes a full [[Heel Face Turn]] by breaking Asa out of her [[Heroic BSOD]]. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for [[What the Hell, Hero?|causing it]]. |
* ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon]]'': Though she's just a member of the [[Girl Posse]], not the actual [[Alpha Bitch]] herself (that's Emiru), Mia makes a full [[Heel Face Turn]] by breaking Asa out of her [[Heroic BSOD]]. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for [[What the Hell, Hero?|causing it]]. |
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* The premise of most, if not all, [[Jerk Sue]] fics. |
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* In the ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' fanfic ''[[How I Became Yours]]'', Mai's supposed [[Moral Event Horizon]] is causing Katara to have a [[Convenient Miscarriage]], [http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/ReneeLuvsZutara/HIBY%20Chapter%201/028.jpg but she makes a pretty good case] for why she did it, even if it's not a [[Good Is Not Nice|nice]] one, but since she plays the [[Designated Villain]] we're supposed to take Zuko's side. |
* In the ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' fanfic ''[[How I Became Yours]]'', Mai's supposed [[Moral Event Horizon]] is causing Katara to have a [[Convenient Miscarriage]], [http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/ReneeLuvsZutara/HIBY%20Chapter%201/028.jpg but she makes a pretty good case] for why she did it, even if it's not a [[Good Is Not Nice|nice]] one, but since she plays the [[Designated Villain]] we're supposed to take Zuko's side. |
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* ''[[Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality]]'': Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres makes this awesome. He only tends to be a Jerkass when he's ''got a point''. |
* ''[[Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality]]'': Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres makes this awesome. He only tends to be a Jerkass when he's ''got a point''. |
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== Film == |
== Film == |
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'''Clamp:''' That's a good question Bill – how do you know so much about them? }} |
'''Clamp:''' That's a good question Bill – how do you know so much about them? }} |
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* In ''[[It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World]]'', [[Evil Matriarch|Mrs. Marcus]] is the one who suggests simply splitting [[MacGuffin|the $350,000]] that's been buried under the big "W", but if anyone had listened to her, we wouldn't have a movie. |
* In ''[[It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World]]'', [[Evil Matriarch|Mrs. Marcus]] is the one who suggests simply splitting [[MacGuffin|the $350,000]] that's been buried under the big "W", but if anyone had listened to her, we wouldn't have a movie. |
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== Literature == |
== Literature == |
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** It doesn't change the fact that Alliser was telling the truth: The dead are walking, the Others are coming, and the kings and lords of Westeros are too busy fighting each other to do anything about it. |
** It doesn't change the fact that Alliser was telling the truth: The dead are walking, the Others are coming, and the kings and lords of Westeros are too busy fighting each other to do anything about it. |
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*** This is also a major bit of [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]] for Tyrion; knowing what a [[Jerkass]] Thorne is, Tyrion refused to see him when he arrived, and kept him waiting for so long that the severed, yet still moving, [[Our Zombies Are Different|wight]] hand Thorne had brought with him had rotted down to the bones. Had Tyrion seen him earlier, he would have been presented with indisputable proof that Thorne was telling the truth, and the course of the whole series might have been dramatically changed. |
*** This is also a major bit of [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]] for Tyrion; knowing what a [[Jerkass]] Thorne is, Tyrion refused to see him when he arrived, and kept him waiting for so long that the severed, yet still moving, [[Our Zombies Are Different|wight]] hand Thorne had brought with him had rotted down to the bones. Had Tyrion seen him earlier, he would have been presented with indisputable proof that Thorne was telling the truth, and the course of the whole series might have been dramatically changed. |
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* In ''[[Harry Potter/Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|Harry Potter]]'', Malfoy believes Hagrid's Blast-ended Skrewts are abominations of nature. The Skrewts are ''jet-propelled scorpion-leeches'' that eventually grow to be |
* In ''[[Harry Potter/Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]'', Malfoy believes Hagrid's Blast-ended Skrewts are abominations of nature. The Skrewts are ''jet-propelled scorpion-leeches'' that eventually grow to be ten feet long {{spoiler|and are apparently illegal hybrids of Manticores and fire-crabs meaning they shouldn't even exist in the first place}}. While Hermoine defends the Skrewts in Hagrid's class out of loyalty to Hagrid, she privately agrees with Malfoy that the Skrewts are horrible monsters. |
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* ''[[Supernatural (TV series)|Supernatural]]'': The Trickster/{{spoiler|Gabriel}} was a big one. Sure, his method was cruel (a time loop within which Dean died every day, and Sam couldn't save him), but he did have a point: Sam had to accept that Dean was going to die, and that sacrificing themselves for each other isn't a good idea. {{spoiler|Not that it stopped them...}} |
* ''[[Supernatural (TV series)|Supernatural]]'': The Trickster/{{spoiler|Gabriel}} was a big one. Sure, his method was cruel (a time loop within which Dean died every day, and Sam couldn't save him), but he did have a point: Sam had to accept that Dean was going to die, and that sacrificing themselves for each other isn't a good idea. {{spoiler|Not that it stopped them...}} |
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* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': |
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': |
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{{quote|'''Ashur''': My fucking treachery? When did YOU stand forth for Ashur? When did ANY OF YOU GREET ME SHORT OF MOCKERY, AND SCORN?!?!! FUCKING CUNTS!!! }} |
{{quote|'''Ashur''': My fucking treachery? When did YOU stand forth for Ashur? When did ANY OF YOU GREET ME SHORT OF MOCKERY, AND SCORN?!?!! FUCKING CUNTS!!! }} |
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* Annie's father in the ''[[Masters of Horror]]'' episode "Cigarette Burns". Kirby treats him like an unreasonable jerkass, but Kirby did get his daughter killed by indulging her drug habit, abysmally failed to get her on the right track despite agreeing with him to do so, is still massively in debt to him, and just evades him whenever the topic of repaying the loan comes up. {{spoiler|It's only when he resolves to kill Kirby that he crosses the line into outright villainy.}} |
* Annie's father in the ''[[Masters of Horror]]'' episode "Cigarette Burns". Kirby treats him like an unreasonable jerkass, but Kirby did get his daughter killed by indulging her drug habit, abysmally failed to get her on the right track despite agreeing with him to do so, is still massively in debt to him, and just evades him whenever the topic of repaying the loan comes up. {{spoiler|It's only when he resolves to kill Kirby that he crosses the line into outright villainy.}} |
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== Theatre == |
== Theatre == |
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* Subverted in ''[[13|Thirteen]]'' when Lucy tells Kendra she should thank Evan for getting Kendra and Brett back together {{spoiler|But really. [[The Chessmaster|Lucy set the whole thing up]] so that she could be with Brett. It's a case of [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin]]}}. |
* Subverted in ''[[13|Thirteen]]'' when Lucy tells Kendra she should thank Evan for getting Kendra and Brett back together {{spoiler|But really. [[The Chessmaster|Lucy set the whole thing up]] so that she could be with Brett. It's a case of [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin]]}}. |
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* The Witch of ''[[Into the Woods]]'' has this effect on the characters; regardless of whether they say so aloud, they are visibly humbled by the [[Hannibal Lecture]] that is "Last Midnight", in which she [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls them out]] on the fact that their wishes and carelessness got them in the trouble they're in now. |
* The Witch of ''[[Into the Woods]]'' has this effect on the characters; regardless of whether they say so aloud, they are visibly humbled by the [[Hannibal Lecture]] that is "Last Midnight", in which she [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls them out]] on the fact that their wishes and carelessness got them in the trouble they're in now. |
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== Video Games == |
== Video Games == |
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* In ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'', Ghetsis says, 'A Pokemon, even if it's revered as a deity, is still just a Pokemon!' After all the legendary Pokemon being called 'gods', it's kind of nice to see someone who isn't falling for it. Even if he redefines 'bastard'. |
* In ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'', Ghetsis says, 'A Pokemon, even if it's revered as a deity, is still just a Pokemon!' After all the legendary Pokemon being called 'gods', it's kind of nice to see someone who isn't falling for it. Even if he redefines 'bastard'. |
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* In ''[[Katawa Shoujo]]'', when Hisao suggests that [[Jerkass|Jigoro]] [[Abusive Parents|Hakamichi]] could visit his daughter Shizune, Jigoro counters by, among other things, asking when the last time Hisao has called his parents. Hisao concedes that he has not made much of an effort to keep in touch with them, although he hates Jigoro enough to be tempted to punch him in the face. |
* In ''[[Katawa Shoujo]]'', when Hisao suggests that [[Jerkass|Jigoro]] [[Abusive Parents|Hakamichi]] could visit his daughter Shizune, Jigoro counters by, among other things, asking when the last time Hisao has called his parents. Hisao concedes that he has not made much of an effort to keep in touch with them, although he hates Jigoro enough to be tempted to punch him in the face. |
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== [[Web Comics]] == |
== [[Web Comics]] == |
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'''GG''': she's ACTUALLY INSANE |
'''GG''': she's ACTUALLY INSANE |
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'''CG''': OH I SEE, AND ALL THOSE IDIOT PAST AND FUTURE KARKATS WEREN'T??? }} |
'''CG''': OH I SEE, AND ALL THOSE IDIOT PAST AND FUTURE KARKATS WEREN'T??? }} |
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== Web Original == |
== Web Original == |
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* ''[[Global Guardians PBEM Universe]]'': Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team, goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[Evil Overlord|world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain). |
* ''[[Global Guardians PBEM Universe]]'': Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team, goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[Evil Overlord|world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain). |
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* In ''[[The Onion]]'''s articles by Jean Teasdale, "Hubby Rick" is an interesting intersection of [[Jerkass]] and [[Closer to Earth]]. He spends most of his time at the bar, mainly because Jean's [[Cloudcuckoolander]] [[It's All About Me]] behavior frustrates him; one article has her squirreling away money to "invest" (read: buy [[Betty Boop]] collectibles), and when Rick finds out he chews her out because they could use that money to pay their bills. |
* In ''[[The Onion]]'''s articles by Jean Teasdale, "Hubby Rick" is an interesting intersection of [[Jerkass]] and [[Closer to Earth]]. He spends most of his time at the bar, mainly because Jean's [[Cloudcuckoolander]] [[It's All About Me]] behavior frustrates him; one article has her squirreling away money to "invest" (read: buy [[Betty Boop]] collectibles), and when Rick finds out he chews her out because they could use that money to pay their bills. |
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== Western Animation == |
== Western Animation == |
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