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* The episode "Not-So-Great Great-Great-Grampa". At first, it seems like the [[Grandfather Paradox]] moves like they normally do. But think about this: If Phil had never been born, he never would have travelled to the past and given Kyle the idea for the prank, meaning Kyle would have stayed at H. G. Wells, never gone to military school, and never met Petunia. Which means that Phil would have [[Mind Screw|never been born.]] [[Flat What|What.]] |
* The episode "Not-So-Great Great-Great-Grampa". At first, it seems like the [[Grandfather Paradox]] moves like they normally do. But think about this: If Phil had never been born, he never would have travelled to the past and given Kyle the idea for the prank, meaning Kyle would have stayed at H. G. Wells, never gone to military school, and never met Petunia. Which means that Phil would have [[Mind Screw|never been born.]] [[Flat What|What.]] |
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** There's a bit at the end where they mention that Petunia likes Kyle, creating a [[Tricked |
** There's a bit at the end where they mention that Petunia likes Kyle, creating a [[Tricked-Out Time|Stable time loop]] |
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*** I get that. The problem is that ''there's no way for the paradox to be possible in the first place.'' Either Phil doesn't get born, or... [[Logic Bomb|he doesn't get born.]] I'm okay with [[Timey-Wimey Ball|Timey Wimey Balls]], but this makes no sense. |
*** I get that. The problem is that ''there's no way for the paradox to be possible in the first place.'' Either Phil doesn't get born, or... [[Logic Bomb|he doesn't get born.]] I'm okay with [[Timey-Wimey Ball|Timey Wimey Balls]], but this makes no sense. |
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**** No, see, [[Stable Time Loop|there was no zero-th iteration]]. Phil gets born, and causes his own birth in the process of his existence. There is no "doesn't get born". It's like a [[My Own Grandpa]] situation, where everything had to be in place. The series isn't terribly consistent across the series as to whether they [[In Spite of a Nail|change the past]] or [[Stable Time Loop|already went back to our present]] (unless the expectation that they ''can'' undo their trip to the past, as in the time capsule episode, is their own misunderstanding), but this is a perfectly logical series of events ''within the episode'', from what I recall. Unless that's the episode where Phil fades like [[Back to The Future|Marty McFly]], in which case disregard everything I've said relative to the subject at hand. |
**** No, see, [[Stable Time Loop|there was no zero-th iteration]]. Phil gets born, and causes his own birth in the process of his existence. There is no "doesn't get born". It's like a [[My Own Grandpa]] situation, where everything had to be in place. The series isn't terribly consistent across the series as to whether they [[In Spite of a Nail|change the past]] or [[Stable Time Loop|already went back to our present]] (unless the expectation that they ''can'' undo their trip to the past, as in the time capsule episode, is their own misunderstanding), but this is a perfectly logical series of events ''within the episode'', from what I recall. Unless that's the episode where Phil fades like [[Back to The Future|Marty McFly]], in which case disregard everything I've said relative to the subject at hand. |
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Latest revision as of 08:34, 3 February 2014
- The episode "Not-So-Great Great-Great-Grampa". At first, it seems like the Grandfather Paradox moves like they normally do. But think about this: If Phil had never been born, he never would have travelled to the past and given Kyle the idea for the prank, meaning Kyle would have stayed at H. G. Wells, never gone to military school, and never met Petunia. Which means that Phil would have never been born. What.
- There's a bit at the end where they mention that Petunia likes Kyle, creating a Stable time loop
- I get that. The problem is that there's no way for the paradox to be possible in the first place. Either Phil doesn't get born, or... he doesn't get born. I'm okay with Timey Wimey Balls, but this makes no sense.
- No, see, there was no zero-th iteration. Phil gets born, and causes his own birth in the process of his existence. There is no "doesn't get born". It's like a My Own Grandpa situation, where everything had to be in place. The series isn't terribly consistent across the series as to whether they change the past or already went back to our present (unless the expectation that they can undo their trip to the past, as in the time capsule episode, is their own misunderstanding), but this is a perfectly logical series of events within the episode, from what I recall. Unless that's the episode where Phil fades like Marty McFly, in which case disregard everything I've said relative to the subject at hand.
- I get that. The problem is that there's no way for the paradox to be possible in the first place. Either Phil doesn't get born, or... he doesn't get born. I'm okay with Timey Wimey Balls, but this makes no sense.
- Just because it was that prank that got him into military school this time doesn't mean that he wouldn't have done another equally dangerous prank that got him there. So it's quite possible that if Phil didn't come, he would've just performed other pranks until he finally got sent to military school.
- There's a bit at the end where they mention that Petunia likes Kyle, creating a Stable time loop