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== Solid Type IV+: Universe-scale power use/control. ==
=== Anime and Manga ===
* The observable universe glows with about 2×10<sup>49</sup>W.▼
* The somewhat hazy physics of ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' make judging tech levels somewhat difficult, but the Anti-Spirals are easily a Type IV, if not above that: they can manipulate probability to ensure their weapons always hit, they can dodge attacks by casual time travel, and they can create a galaxy-sized [[Humongous Mecha]] that can use the Big Bang as a [[Wave Motion Gun]]. And it's suggested that that's nowhere near the limit of their abilities: in ''[[The Movie|Lagann-hen]]'', they one-up their galaxy-sized mecha with a [[Serial Escalation|universe-sized one]]. The heroes of the story use [[Functional Magic|Spiral energy]] to achieve similar abilities (it's likely that the titular Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the good counterpart to the aforementioned galaxy-sized mecha, is likely a Type IV on its own), but their civilization is never shown above Type II.▼
* The highest possible transient power output for a point source is about 9×10<sup>51</sup>W based on Relativity predicting the formation of an event horizon around anything more. The final word on this will probably have to wait for a working theory of quantum gravity, however.▼
** Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann by pretty much a moon sized mecha and the will power of ten people. Tengen Toppa stands on galaxies, is powered by mostly one man's spirit, and moves at at the speed of billions of light years.{{context}}<!-- That's like saying "at the speed of miles." --> When Lordgenome dies, he turns the energy of a big bang into a drill, which is then consumed by Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (or Tengen Toppa Lagann). In Lagann-Hen's case, then proceed to make an even bigger "mecha" made entirely of energy, and then that energy being makes an energy drill the size of the universe.▼
=== Live-Action TV ===
* The Time Lords of ''[[Doctor Who]]''.
** Their ultimate weapon was so powerful that only the Time Lord president could wield it and it requires a hidden key only the president knows about to operate. The weapon in question is the Demat Gun. It doesn't just destroy a target, it ''erases'' the target from time and space so that the target never existed in the first place with nobody even remembering what the target was.
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** Considering the Daleks were able to fight the Time Lords to a draw in the Last Time War before the Doctor consigned both of them to seeming oblivion, the Dalek civilization at some point had to be at least within an order of magnitude of the Time Lords, a level of power not even hinted at in the original series. Note, however, that most of the Doctor's encounters with them occurred during Davros' (first?) lifetime, which, even if it extended into the thousands of years, would still be pretty insignificant over the whole of time. Considering the [[Timey-Wimey Ball]] nature of the Whoniverse, the idea of the Daleks developing over a period of thousands or millions of years from a postapocalyptic [[Super Soldier]] race to one of the biggest threats in the universe during the assumed [[San Dimas Time|real world time period of ~50 years]] isn't even remotely unbelievable.
*** One has to allow for both Davros having spent considerable time in stasis, along with the fact that time travel is involved. Dalek history may not be linear. It is also worth noting that Davros individually and the Daleks generally (the Doctor once referred to them as "scavengers") seemed to have a strong desire to acquire Time Lord technology, and possibly the necessary intellect to at least marginally understand it. That they may have stolen most of what they had is reinforced by the fact that in most instances the Doctor seems to understand how their technology works.
* The
* In ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'', the aliens seen [http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010826 at the end] of the "GOFOTRON Champion of the Universe" arc are able to contain hundreds of exploding stars within a sphere the size of a soccer ball. And this device was created by a ''waffle company''.▼
* The Xeelee from the novels of Stephen Baxter's ''[[Xeelee Sequence]]'' have absolute mastery over the entirety of all baryonic matter in universe. Entire galactic clusters are just bricks to these guys. Future humans make it to Type III and try to attack them by shooting a whole neutron star at near light speed at them like a bullet, and they all but ignore it as insignificant. In the same universe are the Photino Birds, creatures of dark matter against whom the Xeelee fight a multi-billion year existential war and '''lose''' , because the photino birds have absolute mastery over all the dark matter in the universe, and dark matter outmasses baryonic matter by about 9 to 1.▼
▲* The [[The Culture|Overarch Bedeckants]], the civilisation that built the probe in ''Excession'' travel between universes so as to avoid extinction by being trapped in one when it undergoes heat death. Their lone probe brushed off the most powerful weapon the Culture wielded without any apparent effort. However, most of the information about the Excession comes from Intelligence report suppositions and a single largely incoherent rambling rant from the Excession itself.
* Humanity in
=== Religion and Mythology ===
* Traditional view of a God creating the universe ex-nihilo means you need to take the current mass-energy content of the universe (4×10<sup>69</sup>J) and have expelled it in the time before time existed (one unit of Planck time, or 5.39124×10<sup>−44</sup> seconds), coming up with 7×10<sup>112</sup>W. This would put God, at a bare minimum, as a [[Beyond the Impossible|Type X]].
=== Web Comics ===
▲* In ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'', the aliens seen [http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010826 at the end] of the "GOFOTRON Champion of the Universe" arc are able to contain hundreds of exploding stars within a sphere the size of a soccer ball. And this device was created by a ''waffle company''.
=== Western Animation ===
* A bizarre example in the ''[[Family Guy]]'' episode "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven"—the Earth and all the galaxies in the universe are shown to be part of Adam West's bedside table lamp.
* For the denizens of the ''[[Futurama]]'' universe, traveling to the ''edge of the universe and back'' is a trivially easy task. As is killing everything everywhere. They also posses the ability to alter universal constants and other physics across the whole universe (scientists changed the speed of light in 2208), which can also be used to power technology (changing the properties of dark matter, 200% efficient engines<ref>which the writers should know would require breaking time symmetry of the laws of physics, i.e. changing them and exploiting that to extract more power than was put in</ref>). Planet exploding weapons are operated by single person demolition companies, the use of which is considered mundane. Multiple universes can be created by a lone inventor on the budget of a small delivery company (said delivery company having made only 100 deliveries in 10 years, as of 'The Mutants are Revolting'). In said delivery company, interstellar/intergalactic spaceships are as mundane as small pieces of wire.
** And consider that in the ''Futurama'' universe, Earth/humanity is a pathetic third-rate wannabe power, only able to bully the very smallest and weakest other cultures - comparable to fascist 1930's-era Italy.
=== Real Life ===
▲* The Xeelee from the novels of Stephen Baxter's ''[[Xeelee Sequence]]'' have absolute mastery over the entirety of all baryonic matter in universe. Entire galactic clusters are just bricks to these guys. Future humans make it to Type III and try to attack them by shooting a whole neutron star at near light speed at them like a bullet, and they all but ignore it as insignificant. In the same universe are the Photino Birds, creatures of dark matter against whom the Xeelee fight a multi-billion year existential war and '''lose''' , because the photino birds have absolute mastery over all the dark matter in the universe, and dark matter outmasses baryonic matter by about 9 to 1.
▲* The observable universe glows with about 2×10<sup>49</sup>W.
▲* Humanity in the Dancers at the End of Time series: they abused the universe so much that the heat death of the universe is on the verge of happening merely one million years in the future, instead of several trillions. The worst part is that they could fix it, and the ''only thing'' preventing them is... intellectual lazyness.
▲* The highest possible transient power output for a point source is about 9×10<sup>51</sup>W based on Relativity predicting the formation of an event horizon around anything more. The final word on this will probably have to wait for a working theory of quantum gravity, however.
▲* The somewhat hazy physics of ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' make judging tech levels somewhat difficult, but the Anti-Spirals are easily a Type IV, if not above that: they can manipulate probability to ensure their weapons always hit, they can dodge attacks by casual time travel, and they can create a galaxy-sized [[Humongous Mecha]] that can use the Big Bang as a [[Wave Motion Gun]]. And it's suggested that that's nowhere near the limit of their abilities: in ''[[The Movie|Lagann-hen]]'', they one-up their galaxy-sized mecha with a [[Serial Escalation|universe-sized one]]. The heroes of the story use [[Functional Magic|Spiral energy]] to achieve similar abilities (it's likely that the titular Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the good counterpart to the aforementioned galaxy-sized mecha, is likely a Type IV on its own), but their civilization is never shown above Type II.
▲** Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann by pretty much a moon sized mecha and the will power of ten people. Tengen Toppa stands on galaxies, is powered by mostly one man's spirit, and moves at at the speed of billions of light years. When Lordgenome dies, he turns the energy of a big bang into a drill, which is then consumed by Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (or Tengen Toppa Lagann). In Lagann-Hen's case, then proceed to make an even bigger "mecha" made entirely of energy, and then that energy being makes an energy drill the size of the universe.
== Other: Unconventional or hard to quantify in watts. ==
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