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Compare [[The Heretic]], [[Turbulent Priest]]
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== [[Literature]] ==
* In ''[[The City of Ember]]'' series, Nickie rejects the absurd restrictions set by Mrs. Beeson on behalf of the Prophet of Yonwood, but she still believes God is good and would honor people's differences instead of marginalizing them.
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* Aramis's devotion to God is contrasted in ''[[The Three Musketeers (novel)|The Three Musketeers]]'' with the conniving Cardinal Richelieu.
* This is a recurring theme in Katherine Kurtz's [[Deryni]] novels, because members of the Christian hierarchy claim that Deryni are evil by nature (hence justifying persecuting them), but a schism eventually occurs within the Church when some clerics, led by Cardiel and Arilan, dispute this assertion. Things get complicated when some few Deryni discover they have Healing abilities and as everyone knows Christ healed. A rebel leader who has been attacking mages' estates and tenants (particularly those of a certain Deryni duke) is forced to confront this when he gets a demonstration of Healing; Cardiel [a human bishop] is there to emphasize the contrast between the religion and some of its self-styled followers. Later, a guilt-stricken and self-hating Deryni [King Kelson's mother, Queen Jehana] has her anti-Deryni religious indoctrination overcome by Deryni clerics Arilan and Father Nivard. It's important to note that the Deryni are true believers, at least in part because of the evidence of experience. They sometimes perform rituals for powerful workings that summon beings taken to be angels (and specifically named: Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and Uriel). They mostly see coloured light and fleeting impressions of wings, and of course they could be mistaken or rationalizing their experiences, but they do believe. It also helps that their powers are triggered by an altered state of consciousness akin to meditation or prayer. Human Queen Richeldis suggests that Deryni may be above ordinary humans and just below angels on the [[wikipedia:Great chain of being:Great|Chain of Being]].
* ''[[Discworld/Small Gods|Small Gods]]'' has Om discovering that his "followers" believe in the organization, hierarchs, high exquisitors, prophetic texts, rituals... anything but Om himself. Since [[Gods Need Prayer Badly]], this means he ended up starved into near-oblivion by his own church and doesn't even have enough juice to perform the only miracle he wants now—whichnow — which is, obviously, braining the guy currently responsible for this state of affairs.
 
== [[Film]] ==
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* In the original version of ''[[The Wicker Man]],'' when the protagonist, a dogmatic, virginal conservative policeman, and a young cop see graffiti spelling out "Jesus Saves," the young cop comments approvingly of it while the protagonist demands it be wiped clean.
 
== [[Live -Action TelevisionTV]] ==
* In the ''[[CSI]]'' episode "Alter Boys", Grissom tells a Roman Catholic priest who suggests that he should start attending Mass again that whilst he [Grissom] believes in God, he doesn't accept the doctrine of the Church, and that too many people have died for particular interpretations of religion. Word of God confirms that this was intended as a comment on 9/11, which had recently taken place at the time the episode was made.
* On ''[[Mad Men]]'', when the priest tells Peggy that she should repent before nuclear war breaks out (during the Cuban Missile Crisis), Peggy answers that she can't believe God would be so cruel as to condemn her to hell just because she had an affair with a married man.
 
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* Called out several times in ''[[In Nomine]]'', where religions are mostly seen as a "human thing," given to mankind as a way to approach the God that the angels already know to worship. Even the few Archangels that explicitly prefer a particular religion (Catholicism for Laurence and Dominic, Islam for Khalid and Zadkiel) still acknowledge that worthy contributions can be made by those of other faiths. By contrast, the Demon Prince of Factions, Malphas, *''loves*'' fine points of dogma ...
{{quote|'''Novalis, Archangel of Flowers''': Every human religion since the first boils down to just two principles: Behave and don't hurt each other.}}
 
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