Suikoden III: Difference between revisions

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* [[And Now for Someone Completely Different]] - The Trinity Sight System, as outlined above, cast players in the role of several different heroes. Also factored into the [[Multiple Endings]]: {{spoiler|gathering all ''104'' heroes before the final war battle unlocked the final scenario, replaying through the events of the game as viewed by the final four Stars - the villains.}}

* [[Badass]] - The ducks tribe looks ridiculous, but Sgt. Joe ''will'' earn your respect.

* [[Bare-Fisted Monk]] - A number of characters use fists to fight (except Kenji, he uses calisthenics). Juan and Emily are probably the most notable for being absolute [[Game Breaker|GameBreakers]] at higher levels.

* [[Badass Crew]] - Geddoe's 5 (later 6) men ensemble, which you can't swap around for a majority of the game. You don't really need to. There's also [[The Rival|Duke's]] crew, which only consists of four people.

* [[Bathtub Bonding]] - Going to the bath with certain parties renders some very funny dialogues.

* [[The Berserker]] - Hallec

* [[Beware the Nice Ones]] - Mel. A [[Cute and Psycho|seemingly sweet]] girl with a [[Perverse Puppet]] who's much stronger than she looks, with [[Kill It with Fire|considerable]] [[Psycho Electro|magical]] [[Black Magician Girl|talents]].

* [[Big Eater]] - Wan Fu.

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** [[Psycho for Hire|Yuber]], Sasarai, Fred, Futch, are we still missing anyone?

*** Tuta, Edge, Juan, and there's likely still more.

* [[Blind Idiot Translation]]

** It's the norm for Suikoden games and this one is leaps and bounds over the previous two games, but there are still occasions where lines make absolutely no sense. Often happens when a line is supposed to be [[Jerkass|indirectly snarky.]]

** The manga earns this for the English translation having moments of not only being inconsistent to the spellings/terms used in the games, but at times being inconsistent between volumes.

* [[Boisterous Bruiser]] - Ace, Dupa, Hallec.

* [[Character Development]] - One of the major benefits of the [[Geodesic Cast]] is getting to know more of the [[Loads and Loads of Characters]] better.

* [[Characterization Marches On]]: Yuber was always murderous in the first two games, but he wasn't usually perceived as [[Axe Crazy]]. [[Oh Crap|Then came chapter two of Hugo's story in this installment.]]

* [[Cloudcuckoolander]]

** Viki, as usual.

** Eike is possibly more subdued case of this. He goes missing for long periods of time, even warranting search parties because he wants to read in a secret shelter. He's not entirely in the same world as the rest of his group to say the least.

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* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]] - [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBhwCjpv3-Q&fmt=18 Wind and Ground]

* [[Dark-Skinned Blond]] - Most of the Karayans.

* [[Deadpan Snarker]]

** Geddoe. His whole party, actually.

** Albert and most of the Harmonians (Nash, Dios and Sasarai) have these moments as well.

* [[Defeat Means Friendship]] - Not always right ''away'', but the game's setup results in plenty of matchups between future allies.

* [[Defrosting Ice Queen]] - Chris for one. Staring off she's as rigid and cold as her armor, but mellows a bit by the end game. Yuiri.

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* [[The Empire]] - Harmonia makes its first real move in the series here. It's apparently a very huge and powerful empire with a habit of adding other lands and cultures to its own, not unlike ancient Rome.

* [[Empathic Weapon]] - The True Runes and the Star Dragon Sword.

* [[Eyepatch of Power]]

** Geddoe, the biggest bad-ass out of the three leads, and a pretty big [[Badass]] in general.

** Gau from Duke's group also counts.

* [[Fiery Redhead]] - Lilly Pendragon and Emily.

* [[Five-Man Band]] - Too many to list. For the leads, we have Chris' Zexen Knights and Geddoe's mercenary company.

* [[Four-Temperament Ensemble]]

** The four main characters; Hugo is Choleric, Chris is Melancholic, Geddoe is Phlegmatic and Thomas is Supine.

** Duke's group - Duke is Choleric, Elaine is Sanguine, Nicholas is Melancholic and Gau is Phlegmatic.

** {{spoiler|Luc's group - Luc is Melancholic, Sara is Supine, Yuber is Sanguine and Albert is Phlegmatic.}}

* [[Genki Girl]] - Mel and Shabon.

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* [[Gravity Barrier]] - After {{spoiler|Karaya Village is destroyed}}, a vertical drop prevents you from accessing the village itself (even though this was never a problem before).

* [[Gray and Grey Morality]]: Most of the game's plot revolves around the three-way conflict between Zexen, the Grassland tribes, and Harmonia, all of which have their good and bad points.

* [[He Who Must Not Be Heard]]

** Toppo, Jacques, Eike, Watari and Ayame. While all of them are pretty silent, Toppo speaks the absolute least.

** Geddoe is often a man of few words but becomes this trope when put on stage.

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* [[Her Codename Was Mary Sue]] - Erk de Forever from 'Erk's Adventures', penned by 'Hitman Bravo', {{spoiler|aka Ace}}.

* [[Heroic Bastard]] - Hugo has a [[Disappeared Dad]], and {{spoiler|Thomas is the illegitimate son of a Zexen noble.}}

* [[Heroic BSOD]]

** Hugo has one when [[The Scrappy|Lulu]] [[Alas, Poor Scrappy|gets himself killed]] fairly early in the events of the game.

** Sasarai gets this one big time when [[The Reveal|he gets told]] {{spoiler|he and Luc are [[Artificial Human|clones]] who only exist as placeholders for the true runes}}. He doesn't exactly take it well. The manga interprets this scene differently.

* [[Heroic Mime]] - [[Averted]]. All four of the main playable characters talk. The ones that are real silent are some background characters and even THEY don't stay quiet the whole time.

* [[Hidden Elf Village]] - Alma Kinan, hidden from the world by a magic barrier and the only one of the Grassland tribes not to appear the truce meeting with Zexen.

* [[Hot Chick with a Sword]] - Chris, Lilly, Queen and Elaine.

* [[Improbable Weapon User]] - Several; Mel stands out by using her [[Demonic Dummy|puppet]] Branky. Then there's the [[Musical Assassin|Buskers]]...

* [[Interspecies Romance]] - It is hinted in this game that Nash married the 1000-year-old vampiress mistress Sierra, a playable character from Suikoden II, whom he met during the first of his gaiden games. Though, considering that she did suck his blood (and that he doesn't seem to have aged a day in the last 15 years), he may no longer be human.

* [[Inexplicable Treasure Chests]]

** Can be found at the end of most dungeons, guarded by a [[Mini Boss]]... including in the middle of a canyon that the player passes through several times. With the chest mysteriously refilling every time, along with the [[Mini Boss]] coming back.

** Also, there are ''corpses'' littered around to serve the same purpose.

* [[Jeanne D'Archetype]] - Chris inherits her position from her dead superior and feels uncomfortable in it but carries it out for the good of Zexen's people.

* [[Jerkass]]

** {{spoiler|Luc once more}}

** Thomas' father. His son comes to see him for the first time after his mother dies, and what happens? The jerk of a father sends him to a secluded, forgotten castle where he "won't be any trouble".

*** Heck, the entire Zexen Council is made of of pompous, self-righteous, money-hungry jerks.

* [[Lady of War]] - Chris Lightfellow is one of the series most prominant examples.

* [[Large Ham]]

** Fred Maxmillian is exceptionally hammy, especially when it comes to virtues of justice. Ironically this makes him a horrible actor in theater plays.

** Other honorable mentions include [[Psycho for Hire|Yuber,]] and any of the stars from the Lizard Clan.

** There's also Leo and Wan Fu, who actually has a [[Combination Attack]] made pretty much entirely of ham and testosterone.

* [[Lizard Folk]] - One of the major Grasslands tribes. Surprisingly, they're ''not'' evil, subverting the [[Reptiles Are Abhorrent]] trope. They live in a huge underground cave and their beds are "nice and chilly" because, being cold-blooded, they can only go to sleep when it's cold.

* [[Luke, I Am Your Father]]

** Played straight with Chris and Jimba.

** An unconventional one comes when {{spoiler|Luc tells twin brother Sasarai that he's the son of Hikusaak, leader of one of the most powerful nations of the world, through cloning.}}

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* [[Multiple Endings]] - Taken a step further in that any of the three main leads can become the ''main'' lead by {{spoiler|taking up the True Fire Rune}}, leading to special endings for each. Also, collecting all the Stars of Destiny adds {{spoiler|a [[Playable Epilogue]] recapping the events of the game from the villain's point of view}}.

* [[Musical Assassin]] - The Buskers Toppo, Nei and Shabon.

* [[My Country, Right or Wrong]]

** Chris is not particularly fond of how the Zexen council decides to use its knights, but still will follow the orders while grousing about it.

** Sasarai is also an example of this, more in the manga than the game. He's not one for pointless violence but proceeds with his given mission to [[Gotta Catch Them All|collect the true runes]]. It takes the possibility of someone using the runes to effectively nuking the continent to bring him around.

* [[Mythology Gag]] - {{spoiler|Luc}} will remark that Thomas had {{spoiler|similar vibes with Tir and Riou from the previous game. Thomas, of course, is the Tenkai star}}.

** Lilly will get goosebumps if told to play/narrate at the Neclord stage play. Well who can blame her? She nearly got taken as his bride when she's just a kid... and take note that unlike Tengaar, she didn't have the upbringing or training of a warrior and was still far from reaching puberty.

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** There are also some for the Gaidens, but [[No Export for You|for obvious reasons]] these don't appear in the North American version.

* [[Older and Wiser]] - Lucia, Apple, Sasarai, Nash (applies to the [[No Import For You|Gaidens)]] and Futch.

* [[Older Than They Look]] - {{spoiler|Geddoe}} (looks 35ish but is actually over 100}, {{spoiler|Jimba}} (Looks like late 20s but is actually about 80), and the Twins (in their 30s and look like androgynous 16 year olds). ALL are justified by their True Runes.

* [[One-Winged Angel]] - So we got the [[Big Bad]] cornered and [[All Your Powers Combined|all the True Elemental Runes]] at our disposal so we can beat him... [[Oh Crap]]! DID HE JUST TRANSFORM INTO A FUCKING WIND PHOENIX?!?

* [[The Only One Allowed to Defeat You]] - Duke and the 14th Unit have this attitude towards Geddoe and the 12th Unit, which led to their [[Heel Face Turn]].

* [[Papa Wolf]] - Put Toppo and Shabon in your party. Should Shabon get knocked unconscious during battle, Toppo will go [[Unstoppable Rage|berserk]], meaning he will get even stronger than before.

** This occurs with a number of other character combinations, too, but in keeping with the trope: Sergeant Joe is a more apparent in-story example to Hugo and Lulu, and berserks when either of the boys are heavily injured or knocked out.

* [[Petting Zoo People]] - The Duck tribe, and the various Dog people.

* [[Plucky Girl]]: Cecile, a little girl who appointed herself captain of Budehuc's guard. She's confident in her role and refuses to be depressed.

* [[Power Trio]] - Hugo, Geddoe and Chris. {{spoiler|Geddoe, Wyatt and the Flame champion}}

* [[Pretty in Mink]]

* [[Purple Is Powerful]] - Lilly, Fred, Rico, Picolo, Ayame, Salome, Melville, Wilder, Roland.

* [[The Quisling]] - Franz, a Mantor trainer trying to earn second class citizenship for his hometown, Le Buque. Unlike most examples, he's treated Sympathetically (Foolish, but sympathetic) - since everyone else in Le Buque just sit on their asses and complain about the conditions. Geddoe pointed that out in his [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|CMOA]].

* [[Rose-Haired Girl]] - Estella inverts the trope by the opposite of the page description. She's an abusive mentor to her only student and lacks any kind of emotional warmth for anyone else.

* [[Rule of Funny]] - Getting a [[~~WTH?~~ Casting Agency|badly cast]] play in theater will get the show booed... But who cares about that when [[Crowning Moment of Funny|those reek of complete hilarity]]!?

* [[Rule of Funny]] - Getting a [[What the Hell, Casting Agency?|badly cast]] play in theater will get the show booed... But who cares about that when [[Crowning Moment of Funny|those reek of complete hilarity]]!?

* [[She's All Grown Up]]

** Lilly Pendragon, who went from a little [[Spoiled Brat]] in [[Suikoden II]] to... a [[Spoiled Brat]] [[Heroic Wannabe]] [[Jumped At the Call|hunting for a reason to fight]]. At least her heart's in the right place...

*** And she's certainly grown up nicely in other ways, if you know what I mean.

** Tuta too. He's just a [[Cute Shotaro Boy]] in II, and now he's a [[Bishonen]] doctor who bangs a hot nurse (Mio)

** And no mention of ''Futch?'' [[Bratty Half-Pint]] in I, [[Emo Teen]] [[Bishonen]] in II, and [[Mr. Fanservice]] in III.

* [[Shout-Out]] - The child detective Kidd is a rather obvious [[Captain Ersatz]] of [[Detective Conan]].

* [[Simultaneous Arcs]] - For much of the game, you alternate playing chapters between the three leads. (i.e. Hugo Chapter 1, then Chris Chapter 1, then Geddoe Chapter 1.) The three Chapter 1s cover roughly the same period of time, but from different perspectives.

* [[Spin Offspring]] - Emily (Ronnie Bell and Mose from [[Suikoden I]]), Sanae (Freed and Yoshino from [[Suikoden II]]) Sharon (Milia from game 1 yet again), Fred (Maximillian from the first 2 games' grandson), Ceasar and Albert (Silverberg decendants) compensate for the relatively few recurring characters this time around. Belle is implied to be Meg's (from the first two games) daughter.

** There's also Goro, the son of Tetsu from [[Suikoden II]], who has followed in his father's footsteps as a bathmaker.

* [[The Strategist]]

** Caesar, with an [[Older and Wiser]] Apple returning as his personal mentor. Also, Salome serves as this in the Zexen Knights.

** Just about all of the major factions have one except for arguably Geddoe's party, who mostly work behind the scenes and never get into major battles until the routes join together. Albert is this for the antagonists and Dios for the Harmonians.

* [[Stripperific]] - Unlike the other installments, this game gloriously averts this, as only Estelle is a major example.

** It is notable that this is the only game in the series where Jeanne averts this trope. She makes up for it later.

* [[Surprisingly Easy Mini Quest]] - The castellan's sidequest. Also gets subverted later.

* [[Take Your Time]] - You can actually leave the [[Very Definitely Final Dungeon]] at any time you want and spend as much time as you want riding horses, putting on plays, rearranging the furniture and so on. Your enemy will hold off on the whole {{spoiler|ceremony to destroy the world thing. <ref>Though it's fun to nab all the other runes first, effectively derailing his plan ''anyway''...</ref>}}

* [[Theme Naming]] - Geddoe's mercenaries are named: Joker, Queen, Ace and Jacques. Hint: think of a deck of cards. All of which, or at least in Joker's case which hints that the others may be as well, are pseudonyms.

* [[Those Two Guys]] - Lilly's attendants Reed and Samus. They're [[Palette Swap]]s of each other with notable personality distinction between them.

* [[Together in Death]] - {{spoiler|Luc and Sarah at the end of his path.}}

* [[Trickster Mentor]] - Estella.