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== The rise of Dracula is a big plot point in the new continuity, if not The Biggest ==

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate revolves around both Simon and Trevor, apparently through time. Konami has said that Lords of Shadow 2 will be the last of the Lords of Shadow arc, which leads to the thought that this is the last one to do with {{spoiler|Dracula's Origins}}. If Simon and Trevor are thrust into this time, logic would dictate it's a big deal. Why not just use Gabriel again if it wasn't?

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~~== The Morrises inherited the Vampire Killer Whip so the Belmonts can cleanse themselves of the taint left by Dracula after Richter's [[Brainwashed|Brainwashing]] in ''Symphony of the Night''. ==~~ While it can be argued that Soleiyu was the first Belmont to be corrupted by Dracula in the series (or, before then, Simon with his curse), Soleiyu had ''just'' come of age to inherit the whip, and had not been given it when he was turned (and Simon didn't turn evil through the curse, it just tried to kill him); Richter was the first Belmont to be a full-fledged Vampire Hunter, whip and all, to fall to the Dark Lord's thrall. Also, {{spoiler|the Whip's Memory you fight in ''Portrait of Ruin'' - which was the memory of the last master the whip had - is Richter, not any of the other Belmonts}}, meaning that the Morrises gained control of the whip sometime after ''Symphony'', soon enough for Richter ''not'' to be able to give it to his heir in between. The only explanation for why the Belmonts would give the whip to the Morrises for safe-keeping for so long, is that the events of ''Symphony'' corrupted the line to the point where they ''couldn't'' wield it properly, and needed to cleanse themselves of the corruption before they could be "accepted" by the whip again.

== The Morrises inherited the Vampire Killer Whip so the Belmonts can cleanse themselves of the taint left by Dracula after Richter's [[Brainwashed|Brainwashing]] in ''Symphony of the Night''. ==

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While it can be argued that Soleiyu was the first Belmont to be corrupted by Dracula in the series (or, before then, Simon with his curse), Soleiyu had ''just'' come of age to inherit the whip, and had not been given it when he was turned (and Simon didn't turn evil through the curse, it just tried to kill him); Richter was the first Belmont to be a full-fledged Vampire Hunter, whip and all, to fall to the Dark Lord's thrall. Also, {{spoiler|the Whip's Memory you fight in ''Portrait of Ruin'' - which was the memory of the last master the whip had - is Richter, not any of the other Belmonts}}, meaning that the Morrises gained control of the whip sometime after ''Symphony'', soon enough for Richter ''not'' to be able to give it to his heir in between. The only explanation for why the Belmonts would give the whip to the Morrises for safe-keeping for so long, is that the events of ''Symphony'' corrupted the line to the point where they ''couldn't'' wield it properly, and needed to cleanse themselves of the corruption before they could be "accepted" by the whip again.

* Or Richter could've been the end of the Belmont bloodline. He doesn't strike me as the "having kids" type. And he looked rather dashing in that unbuttoned high-collared shirt with his loose, blowing brown hair.

** Where did Julius come from, then? Plus, in Portrait of Ruin, it outright says that the Belmonts are prophesied not to use the whip until the Final Battle in 1999- a statement implying a continued existence.

*** There are alternative theories on the Julius part.

** Also, Annette Renard would like to have a word with you.

*** ANNETTE PWNZ J00. * cough* Seriously though - even if Richter didn't have kids (unlikely, in that time period, for this to be the case) - does anyone really truly honestly think the family doesn't have ''any other'' candidates ~~besdies~~ Richter's theoretical kids to pick up the whip, per generation? It's the 1790s, Richter probably has a bunch of siblings. The whip could be taken up by one of their kids. So, too, would Leon have had a ton o' siblings - and he ''cannot'' be the firstborn son of his family, because if he were, there would be no way in hell he'd have been crusading! We only SEE one Belmont at a time, but given the family's, uh, fortitude...they're probably pretty prolific too. There's probably several kids per generation who can use the whip, but it's the guy (or girl, depending on if you're pro-or anti-IGA; this troper is ambivalent but has seen giant flamewars oh god) who is the most skilled and has the most clout with the subweapons and so forth who goes to kick Dracula in teh harbl. tl;dr Families back then WERE BIG. The only Belmont who's real likely to have been an only child by birth is Julius. The others may have had siblings die, or whatnot, but the Belmonts we see in games would ''not'' be only children. In the time period we're talking, Fridgery aside, that didn't really happen so much. People took the 'be fruitful' business very seriously back in the day!

*** ANNETTE PWNZ J00. * cough* Seriously though - even if Richter didn't have kids (unlikely, in that time period, for this to be the case) - does anyone really truly honestly think the family doesn't have ''any other'' candidates besides Richter's theoretical kids to pick up the whip, per generation? It's the 1790s, Richter probably has a bunch of siblings. The whip could be taken up by one of their kids. So, too, would Leon have had a ton o' siblings - and he ''cannot'' be the firstborn son of his family, because if he were, there would be no way in hell he'd have been crusading! We only SEE one Belmont at a time, but given the family's, uh, fortitude...they're probably pretty prolific too. There's probably several kids per generation who can use the whip, but it's the guy (or girl, depending on if you're pro-or anti-IGA; this troper is ambivalent but has seen giant flamewars oh god) who is the most skilled and has the most clout with the subweapons and so forth who goes to kick Dracula in teh harbl. tl;dr Families back then WERE BIG. The only Belmont who's real likely to have been an only child by birth is Julius. The others may have had siblings die, or whatnot, but the Belmonts we see in games would ''not'' be only children. In the time period we're talking, Fridgery aside, that didn't really happen so much. People took the 'be fruitful' business very seriously back in the day!

** Richter being the last Belmont is definitely Jossed by ''Order of Ecclesia''; {{spoiler|the villagers you save in the game are direct descendants of the Belmonts}}. However, {{spoiler|they ''have'' been kept hidden for at least 50 years (Richter's last appearance was in 1797, and ''Order of Ecclesia'' takes place somewhere in the mid-1800s}}}, so it's likely this WMG is viable.

*** This troper always assumed it was a "not until the destined battle, slow down there Rick-box" kind of thing. Like, the Belmonts ''can't'' use it as dictated by destiny until blah blah blah fishcakes.

*** This (JET-programmer of a) troper hopes that ''fucking godawful tedious shitwagon'' sound drama monstrosity is never ever made anything like canon, because it's like they found some Japanese teenybopper's badfic and made it into a script. Richter's an emotard, Maria's a damsel in distress, there's some bunch of Gary Stus running around, and it's generally utter shit. This troper loves her some IGA, don't get her wrong, but between that and Judgment (it's only sold like 4000 copies over here lolsob), she wants to beat him with his hat. At least the Pachi-Slot game is pretty. :(

== The "Castle B" in ''Harmony of Dissonance" is in Hell. ==

* for one, just look at the backgrounds of the first area of Castle B that you see: a Red, Volcanic landscape, and it's established to be a metaphysical place, fabricated through Maxim's mind, going through his own personal hell for the duration of the game.

== The events of the proposed game ''Castlevania: Resurrection'' caused a temporal paradox in the timeline, and the series retcons are an effort to resolve it. ==

While the game was never released, information about the storyline is still accessible to us. Apparently there was a battle against a countess and Dracula in the year 1666 that was stopped by two Belmonts: Sonia (a 15th century Belmont introduced in Castlevania Legends) and Victor (a 19th century Belmont who attempted to flee the family duty, and who had a passing resemblance to Tim Curry). Unfortunately, such events do not stand up well in the space-time continuum, and a paradox was inevitable. The only way to save the timeline from imploding upon itself was to ensure that it could never happen. Specifically, by removing both characters from history. Thus, the events of Castlevania Legends ''no longer happened'', and the question of how the Belmont line got its start was resolved with the introduction of a man by the name of Leon. Meanwhile, removing Victor from the 19th century led to the complete absence of the Belmont clan from that moment forward, so other families were forced to fight Dracula in their place. (How Julius managed to reemerge in 1999 is not explained.) It can also be noted that these actions also removed every moment in the series in which Death stood on two legs, but this may just be coincidental.

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**** The zombie soldiers are a [[Continuity Nod]] to ''Symphony of the Night'', which had Eastern Church soldier zombies from a similar, medieval attack on Castlevania. That, combined with Castlevania III talking about Dracula's attempted conquest of Europe, shows that he's not all that concerned with keeping up [[The Masquerade]]. Sure, the final destruction was really ''caused'' by the heroes, but that doesn't mean the government didn't also stage a military operation against this demonic castle that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. There's no doubting that there were modern soldiers who died in Castlevania: it's likely that they just didn't do any good, and after the massacre the world still had to rely on Julius to do the job right.

** What if the zombies were actually just soldiers who were already dead in 1999 (or killed then) and resurrected to battle Julius and his gang? The "Demon Castle War" the description refers to is just the battle between Julius, his allies, and the monsters of the castle.

** We know Julius, Alucard and a Belandes were present at the shrine during the eclipse in 1999, that doesn't mean they couldn't have brought backup. Though I'm thinking they decided against ~~briging~~ soldiers and called the [[Ghostbusters]]

** We know Julius, Alucard and a Belandes were present at the shrine during the eclipse in 1999, that doesn't mean they couldn't have brought backup. Though I'm thinking they decided against bringing soldiers and called the [[Ghostbusters]]

== Dracula doesn't come back every hundred years, he comes back when evil is waxing ==

Early games have said that Dracula comes back every one hundred years. Of course, with sequals up the wazoo, and an attempt to put everything into a semi-coherent timeline, this theory, taken at face value, doesn't fly. However, if one assumes that the forces of darkness ebb and flow like tides, and that there is a cyclical pattern that repeats roughly every hundred years, then it starts to make sense. Dracula could, in theory, be resurrected at any time, but it's far easier to do so when Evil is at a high point. As well, every major appearance by Dracula is followed by a ~~sequal~~ a few years later. Evil may be waning, but it's still high enough to allow an easy resurrection.

Early games have said that Dracula comes back every one hundred years. Of course, with sequals up the wazoo, and an attempt to put everything into a semi-coherent timeline, this theory, taken at face value, doesn't fly. However, if one assumes that the forces of darkness ebb and flow like tides, and that there is a cyclical pattern that repeats roughly every hundred years, then it starts to make sense. Dracula could, in theory, be resurrected at any time, but it's far easier to do so when Evil is at a high point. As well, every major appearance by Dracula is followed by a sequel a few years later. Evil may be waning, but it's still high enough to allow an easy resurrection.

* This also explains Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin. Before those times, Humanity never had the capacity for such bloodshed and death in such a short time. So many deaths at once caused an unexpected 'jump' in Evil, letting Dracula come back early.

** Really, after World War 1 and World War 2, the normally cyclic flow of evil was thrown off-kilter, hence his return in 1999.

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Combine the above three WMGs, and you are left with an alien invasion that took place before the end of the 15th century and was thwarted by Alucard. The perpetrator was forced into Dracula's service, but continues to scheme to overthrow his master. It's not very realistic, but hey, [[Rule of Cool|who wouldn't want to have]] [[Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever|a giant]] [[The Starscream|treacherous]] [[Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot|alien magician demon lizard]] stomping around?

== More specifically, Galamoth is a [[Gradius|Bacterian]], who had ~~travelled~~ through time and dimensions. ==

== More specifically, Galamoth is a [[Gradius|Bacterian]], who had traveled through time and dimensions. ==

Bacterians are inherently dark, "demonic" creatures. Now, possibly Galamoth, after several temporal displacements seeking to gain power, ended up in [[Otomedius|Kokoro Belmont]]'s universe. After being defeated by her he went back in time to make the Belmont clan not exist by helping Dracula. However he noticed he could be much more powerful if he used his nature as a creature "born from the greed of mankind" and become the Dark Lord, so Kid Dracula happened.

== Soma is not the only time Dracula has resumed a human personality ==

Since Dracula is inexplicably stated to be Vlad Tepes in Symphony of the Night and the games starring the Morris family, yet in Lament, he's Matthias ~~Convqist~~, what does this mean?

Since Dracula is inexplicably stated to be Vlad Tepes in Symphony of the Night and the games starring the Morris family, yet in Lament, he's Matthias Cronvqist, what does this mean?

Perhaps it means after a certain time a Belmont had kicked his ass for good, the Powers That Be decided to let Dracula be reborn as a Human - Namely, Vlad Tepes. However circumstances worked against him for becoming a decent human being - between being a Political Hostage as a child, and the death of his wife... again, he manages to find Death and reforge their agreement. Thus, becoming a vampire again.

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Since Symphony of the Night, it has been stated Dracula's main motive is [[Love Makes You Evil|the death of his beautiful wife]], the first from a plague, causing Matthias to [[Rage Against the Heavens]] and made [[Deal with the Devil|a deal with Death to become Dracula]], the second by [[Humans Are Bastards|the hands of the very humans his wife tried to heal]], turning Alucard temporarily against humans, and cementing Dracula's [[Kill All Humans|genocidal tendencies]]

Notice the women looked exactly alike, they even have very similar names, since Lisa is a shorten form of Elizabeth. This can't be just ~~concidence~~, and who would benefit from tearing out the Vampire's non-beating heart and stomping on it repeatedly?

Notice the women looked exactly alike, they even have very similar names, since Lisa is a shorten form of Elizabeth. This can't be just coincidence, and who would benefit from tearing out the Vampire's non-beating heart and stomping on it repeatedly?

Maybe it's his boney bosom buddy Death. Death is one of the few constants in every game, and always at hand. Notice he has nothing to say to Dracula's reincarnation Soma, though you would expect him to.

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Which is why none of the characters look like themselves. They are actually illusions of themselves created out of Aeon's mind by the Time Reaper to give Aeon hope in finding the "Chosen one" who can destroy the time rift and save time. Thus the game takes place over a millennia or so while Aeon keeps sending the false characters into the rift to fight the Reaper, possibly while Galamoth is already ruling the world in the [[Kid Dracula]] era. Every time a character goes to fight the Reaper, Aeon is sent back to the beginning of the scenario and has to play it out again.

When Kid Dracula defeats Galamoth, Aeon is freed and time and history reasserts itself, stranding Galamoth in the ~~[[Sot N]]~~ era where he is put down once and for all by Alucard.

When Kid Dracula defeats Galamoth, Aeon is freed and time and history reasserts itself, stranding Galamoth in the SotN era where he is put down once and for all by Alucard.

== Death is actually [[Irregular Webcomic|Death of Being Whipped to Death by a Belmont]]. ==

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Ok, not a WMG so much as my attempt to re-canonize Legends by explaining away all the discrepancies as being due to semantics and an [[Unreliable Narrator]]. The actual timeline of the Belmont/Dracula feud goes as such:

* In the eleventh century, the events of Lament of Innocence occur. Leon Belmont and Mathias Cronqvist are BFFs, but then Mathias's wifey croaks and he gets depressed. Leon goes to save HIS wifey from the vampire Walter Bernhard, creating the Vampire Killer whip in the process. After icing Walter, however, Mathias reveals his [[Xanatos Gambit]] . After the death of his wife, he cursed God and became a vampire, then manipulated Leon to get the Ebony Stone, making him an even more powerful vampire. Mathias and Leon messily part ways, Mathias disappearing over the horizon and Leon vowing that he and his descendants will hunt vampires forever.

* Lisa ~~Fahrenheight~~, Alucard's mum and Mathias's second wife, is convicted of witchery and burnt. Having lost another SO, Mathias takes things up a notch, declaring war on humanity and thus becoming the true Dracula, Lord of Darkness.

* Lisa Fahrenheit, Alucard's mum and Mathias's second wife, is convicted of witchery and burnt. Having lost another SO, Mathias takes things up a notch, declaring war on humanity and thus becoming the true Dracula, Lord of Darkness.

* Sonia Belmont's grandpappy dies whilst fighting Dracula's minions, and the young Miss Belmont takes up her inherited Vampire Killer whip and goes on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]] against the Lord of Darkness. She succeeds, technically becoming the first Belmont to fight and defeat Dracula, and later develops several of the vampire hunting tactics that will be passed down the subsequent generations (read: the subweapons).

* Sonia Belmont gives birth to Trevor Belmont, whose father was a normal human totally unrelated to anything else whom Sonia met decades after the events of Legends.

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== Taking a cue from a vampire movie they haven't ripped off yet, the Belmonts couldn't hold the whip because they were tainted. ==

The reason the Belmonts couldn't use the whip for a century is because a Belmont was turned while trying to [[Tanz der Vampire|rescue the ~~beatiful~~ daughter of an innkeeper who, it turns out, didn't want to be rescued]]. The Vampire Killer would have obviously smelled something wrong, but a naive young adventurer blinded by puppy-love infatuation wouldn't see a succubus under his nose if you dressed her up in a chicken suit. I hear it takes a while to purge vampirism from the blood.

The reason the Belmonts couldn't use the whip for a century is because a Belmont was turned while trying to [[Tanz der Vampire|rescue the beautiful daughter of an innkeeper who, it turns out, didn't want to be rescued]]. The Vampire Killer would have obviously smelled something wrong, but a naive young adventurer blinded by puppy-love infatuation wouldn't see a succubus under his nose if you dressed her up in a chicken suit. I hear it takes a while to purge vampirism from the blood.

* Wait, wasn't it the brainwashing from Symphony of the Night that left the taint? It ''is'' rather shortly after that, chronologically, that we start getting other heros covering for the Belmonts....

** Is it then? What an illogical way to taint an entire bloodline for two-hundred years. =(

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== God is evil. ==

[[God Is Evil|God is really evil]], and Dracula was ~~actualy~~ doing the right thing the whole time (be it ~~missguidingly~~ by also ~~blaiming~~ humans). It would be amusing if the final boss in a third Sorrow game was God or another holy being, since all the others have dark-aligned final bosses. Also what kind of good God can only be good if there is a Dark Lord to offset him?

[[God Is Evil|God is really evil]], and Dracula was actually doing the right thing the whole time (be it misguidedly by also blaming humans). It would be amusing if the final boss in a third Sorrow game was God or another holy being, since all the others have dark-aligned final bosses. Also what kind of good God can only be good if there is a Dark Lord to offset him?

* Law of opposites. In order for good to exist, evil has to as well. So, by comparison, a mysterious, unpossessive God can be Good simply because His plan is beneficial in the long run; and a pandering, manipulative Satan can be Evil simply because his plan is to use others and then dispose of them once their usefulness is gone.

** That still implies God somehow NEEDS evil to be good or to exist which calls into question how good or god-like he can be if he requires evil to be that way.

*** Let's say you asked a friend to loan you a dollar. If he did, then you would consider it a good thing. Specifically, because he had the option to not give it to you. If asking for it automatically made him give it to you, then you would consider it "business as usual" and wouldn't make any moral judgments.

**** That merely implies neutrality not evil, plus having a choice to be evil and having a opposite evil being are two different things. A friend can be good without having a jerk evil friend to compare him to.

** Only one cult leader made this claim. Thus far, ~~theres~~ been no proof to suggest God can only exist as long as Dracula does.

** Only one cult leader made this claim. Thus far, there's been no proof to suggest God can only exist as long as Dracula does.

== Lisa was executed because she was becoming a witch. ==

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== Dracula has no control over how Castlevania manifests ==

Wall meat? Random useful items laying around randomly? A gothic cathedral? Angels? Alucard once said that Castlevania is a "Creature of Chaos" in reference to how the castle is never ~~ther~~ same. I assume he wasn't simply being poetic. Chaos is {{spoiler|the final boss in Aria of Sorrow and the true source of Dracula's power}}. Perhaps Chaos changes the castle on it's own, and even leaves a way for the Belmonts/heros to win despite Dracula's best intentions.

Wall meat? Random useful items laying around randomly? A gothic cathedral? Angels? Alucard once said that Castlevania is a "Creature of Chaos" in reference to how the castle is never the same. I assume he wasn't simply being poetic. Chaos is {{spoiler|the final boss in Aria of Sorrow and the true source of Dracula's power}}. Perhaps Chaos changes the castle on it's own, and even leaves a way for the Belmonts/heros to win despite Dracula's best intentions.

== The kidnapped women in Rondo/Dracula X Chronicles were supposed to be a means to resurrecting Lisa ==

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== Maria is either a younger Princess Peach, or a relative of sorts ==

I blame the fact that she has the same colour scheme as her in ''Rondo of Blood''. Oh hell, every little girl was doing the blonde hair and pink dress those days.

** We can blame Toru Hagihara for merely deciding to copy said colour scheme

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* ''Portrait of Ruin'' is hard because the protagonist isn't a Belmont nor does he have any special powers, but isn't as hard as ''Circle of the Moon'' because he at least has the real Vampire Killer.

* ''Order of Ecclesia''. Shanoa has to resort to using a [[Dangerous Forbidden Technique]] to defeat Dracula, but who could blame her? This is easily the hardest Castlevania game since ''Circle of the Moon'', after all.

** Except that Julius is <s>[[Touhou|the strongest]]</s> the strongest Belmont yet (even in his age), armed with the Vampire Killer, and teamed up with Alucard ([[My Friends and Zoidberg|and Yoko]]) in the ~~[[Do S]]~~ one and his mode are far far harder than PoR (mostly due to the lack of healing outside of checkpoints...).

** Except that Julius is <s>[[Touhou|the strongest]]</s> the strongest Belmont yet (even in his age), armed with the Vampire Killer, and teamed up with Alucard ([[My Friends and Zoidberg|and Yoko]]) in the DoS one and his mode are far far harder than PoR (mostly due to the lack of healing outside of checkpoints...).

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He's still looking for love, it seems, and the ladies have done little to anger him. It's not implausible to think that he'd be happy slaughtering all the human males and keeping the females around. This may lead to a decreased gene pool, of course, but you know him and eternal unlife.

== Sypha really is a man ==

== Chaos is actually a [[R-Type|Bydo.]] ==

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== God gave Mathias [[My Greatest Second Chance|a second chance]] in the form of Soma. ==

~~[[Tropers/X 2 X|~~I]] already brought this up on the page for the ''[[Castlevania: Chronicles of Sorrow|Sorrow]]'' series, but it really belongs here.

I already brought this up on the page for the ''[[Castlevania: Chronicles of Sorrow|Sorrow]]'' series, but it really belongs here.

[[It Was His Sled|As we all know]], Soma is the [[Reincarnation]] of Dracula. If you compare him to his previous incarnation Mathias/Dracula, it seems as if fate went out of its way to ensure that Soma didn't turn to evil as well.

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== A 3DS or Cafe game will finally show what happened in 1999 ==

The main character will be Julius (natch), but it will be like Julius mode in ~~[[Do S]]~~, a homage to Castlevania 3, and star the following characters

The main character will be Julius (natch), but it will be like Julius mode in DoS, a homage to Castlevania 3, and star the following characters

* Julius: duh, uses Whips

* Alucard: duh, uses swords