Hazbin Hotel/WMG

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Vaggie is a former exorcist

Possibly the biggest evidence here is the eye patch she has with an X on it, a feature that all the exorcists seem to have. We also know from the season 1 trailer that all the Exorcists except Adam are female, and Vaggie's weapon of choice is a spear similar to the ones used by the Exorcists. While Vaggie has been confirmed as a mortal sinner, that doesn't necessarily mean she was sent straight to Hell after death; it's possible she was once a formerly human angel and recruit into the annual purge who eventually objected to their methods and either quit or was kicked out, condemned as a punishment. This may in fact explain just why she is in Hell in the first place. As for why, it might simply have been the result of a Heel Realization leading to a Heel Face Turn .

  • Confirmed, although it was less a case of defecting than it was Lute trying to murder her for refusing to kill a child.

Carmilla is also former Exorcist

There was some ambiguity when Carmilla first appeared, when it was discovered she killed the Exorcist to defend her daughters - even having daughters seems to prove she is probably not a Sinner demon, as Word of God has said that Sinner demons cannot sire or bear children. She also has violet skin and white hair, much like Vaggie's. She also is the only resident of Hell who knows how to craft angelic weapons (possibly through magic only an angel would know) and knows a strategy to effectively fight the Exorcists; while she claimed she discovered this by accident, it is possible she was lying; after all, Vaggie was lying to Charlie about her past for three years.

Carmilla is Vaggie's Mother

Obviously, this one can likely only be true if Carmilla is indeed a former Exorcist, but if so, it seems possible. The biggest clue is that Carmilla is, like Vaggie, a Latino - not officially confirmed as Vaggie has, but Carmilla can speak Spanish and her dance-battle music is Flamenco, so it seems very likely. It seems unlikely that the writers would put two Latino characters with similar backstories for no plot-related reason.

Lucifer is setting his daughter up for failure

It has been stated that Lucifer opposes Charlie's plan, but still allows it. Seeing as Charlie is his daughter, that means he is also his heir, so in theory, if Lucifer were to be killed (difficult, but not impossible) Charlie would become ruler of Hell. It seems likely then, that Lucifer is purposely trying to set Charlie up for failure in order to crush what he sees as overenthusiastic optimism and convince her to accept reality in order to “harden” her for her eventual role.

  • Jossed. While he does believe the project will fail at first, his true reason for objecting is because he doesn't want to see her hurt when it does.

Ultimately, Charlie and her clients will not want to enter Heaven

Thus far, residents of Heaven in this series and Helluva Boss are arrogant entitled jerks at best and genocidal monsters at worst. Charlie might eventually figure that the true path to redemption does not lead there, and that the better idea is to make Hell itself a better place. Certainly this would seem an Impossible Task but then, so does her current plan.

Lilith isn't hiding in paradise; she's a hostage!

Lilith disappeared seven years ago, and Charlie references that since her parents "split", her father became even more estranged from her. It's also implied that Lucifer's depression wasn't as bad before Lilith left, given he still made time to care for Charlie, but in the present he spends his time talking to rubber ducks. Why is he feeling worse now and convinced the angels can't be reasoned with? Because during the last meetings with the angels, Lilith was forced to surrender herself to Heaven's custody for some reason. Sera had Adam make the deal to ensure that Hell's most competent leader wouldn't spur a demon uprising. Lucifer hasn't told Charlie because it's too traumatizing for him to think about; saving Charlie from Adam made him realize he couldn't keep mourning for his wife but protect the one living relative that he still had. Lute is already established as a Horrible Judge of Character when thinking Lilith would kill her daughter to stay in Heaven, so it's not implausible.

Heaven's Dark Secret: It Operates on Equivalent Exchange

Sera is very reticent about explaining exactly how souls get into heaven, and none of the other angels seem to know. Why? Because she knows that a sinner can only get into heaven after reforming if an angel dies permanently. When does Sir Pentious show up? After Adam is definitely dead after Niffty stabs him repeatedly. That's why Sera is freaked out and how she shuts down the idea of Charlie's project to "quell" potential rebellion. Meaning that some sinner in season two is going to reveal this to Charlie when they replace the dead angel from the first episode.

  • Possibly, though Adam was not the only casualty on Adam's side in the fight.
  • Related to the above WMG...

Adam and the slain Exorcists will be reborn in Hell as sinners

First because it would be funny, and second because it would be karmic. With Sir Pentious now an angel, we know redeemed sinners can be reborn in heaven; if the other way around is true, then fallen angels can be reborn in Hell. Adam will be unrecognizable as a sinner, and he'll try to weasel his way back into the Hotel so as to use Charlie, return to Heaven and regain his status. Unlike with Sir Pentious, who only lasted a few hours, Adam will be much sneakier since he has a lot more to lose because if Vaggie or Alastor caught on, they would not be showing any mercy the second time around. Cue a bunch of fallen angels also flooding the hotel after panicking and realizing they are stuck.

Adam wasn't always a douchebag

Considering he was the first man, it may be a mite unfair to say Adam was always a creep and a jerk who would hit on his stepdaughter and plan to murder her out of spite. Adam lived, with his son Cain being the first murderer, and he died. He got a pass to Heaven because he was a decent guy at the time, all things considered. But then ten thousand years passed, and if Charlie's thesis that a sinner can improve in hell is true, then an angel can also get worse in heaven. Adam got everything he wanted during those ten thousand years, and no one restrained him or told him to tone his fratboy antics down; it's implied Lucifer was the only one who said, "You really let yourself go, buddy." As The Good Place points out repeatedly, a paradise where you can get everything you want is not necessarily good for the soul. Adam got worse and more entitled, and getting permission to exterminate sinners for fun didn't help.

Lucifer and Adam used to know each other as friends, which makes Lilith choosing Lucifer all the more painful for Adam.

Lucifer calls Adam "buddy" and mentions how the latter let himself go during their season one finale fight. He also holds back until Adam destroys the hotel and nearly kills Charlie with his death beam; then he goes into a rage and punches Adam for a while. Back in the day, Lucifer may have genuinely liked Adam as the first man, with the potential for new life on Earth. They were both in Eden for a reason, and Lucifer had a lot of faith in humans to give them free will. But then Lilith ran away from Adam, choosing the Morningstar over the mortal... and things literally went to hell from there. Lucifer did feel bad because rejection isn't fun, but didn't see it as the betrayal that Adam would have at the time considering Lilith was made to be his wife. Him bringing up Lilith (and possibly Eve) choosing him showed how Lucifer was planning to destroy Adam physically and emotionally for attacking his daughter.