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== The series is Shinji (failing at) imagining a harem-fantasy world with mecha elements ==
Plenty of the basic character archetypes are there: bottle fairy Misato, shy blue-haired girl Rei (who in a normal harem anime would eventually learn to love with Shinji's help), quirky school friends Toji and Kensuke, [[Tsundere]] Asuka, gag character Pen-Pen, etc. The problem is, real!Shinji has as much emotional problems as anime!Shinji, and as a result, his dream world also falls apart:
* Some scenes which are typically played for laughs in a romantic comedy anime (a good example is Shinji accidentally groping Rei) turn out incredibly awkward, decidedly unfunny and not sexy.
* The "Dance Like You Want To Win!" episode, in which an Angel is defeated... through the power of synchronized dance, which sounds a lot like the dream of an imaginative young child.
* Piloting the Eva is not a fun part-time job, it's a traumatizing experience that eventually leads to {{spoiler|the death several of his friends and crippling injury to another}}.
* Gendo, Shinji's estranged father, isn't simply a wacky dad (think Ichigo's dad in Bleach), he actively neglects Shinji and real!Gendo is the cause of much of his emotional problems in the real world as well as real!Shinji's fantasy.
* As real!Shinji grows older and starts immersing himself less in his fantasy world, it becomes less coherent and more like random imaginings (represented in the show by the final two episodes).
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* See the [[Surprisingly Similar Stories]] page for more.
 
== There is NO symbolism ==
The entire show is just Gainax loling at us. They just made massive money because we all despereatly scour the internet, searching for the answers to why ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' is so weird.
* I actually agree with this one, minus the loling. This statement may get me committed, but if you take the show literally, and letting what happens on screen actually be what happens, the story is actually rather straightforward. Boy gets recruited to fight monsters, boy fights monsters, ancient conspiracy plots to have morally ambiguous things happen, morally ambiguous things happen. Grossly oversimplified, but anything too weird really can just be accepted as delusions or just visuals so that the scene doesn't take place with just text on a screen, which I may remind you happens eventually anyway. ... Pretty quickly, actually.
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Well this speculation came into this troper's head when the so-called [[Assimilation Plot]] perpetrated by Seele turns out to be nothing more than a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]] [[This Is Your Premise on Drugs|on drugs]]. Let's see what the Canon said: 1) If an Angel combines with Adam, everyone dies. 2) If Adam merges with Lilith, supposedly, a god is created. 3) At [[The End of Evangelion]], ''everybody still dies''. What? Also, if the Angels are after Adam, why are they horny for Lilith instead of the real Adams, Gendo, Kaworu, Evas 00/02 and possibly Antarctica? We might as well argue that Seele's entire myth of "the angels desperate to merge with Adam" might as well be that, a myth.
 
Also, all those ramblings about the Angels trying to understand humanity. Armisael, who complains on how Angels had to live massively lonely lives wandering the stars forever, and Kaworu, who appreciates Human art and culture despite being not Human, are pretty much lampshades on the Angels' plot of not trying to wipe out humanity, but actually trying to become humans.
 
So, where are we left? We can also say that whether it's Adam or Lilith, both end up in a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]]. But, if Seele is just obsessed with a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]], why not do it with letting the supposedly "[[Omnicidal Maniac]]" angels let it do the majority of the fuckup for them? Why not simply tie up Eva-01 with the Hand of Gendo and a Lance of Longinus up on the Empire State Building and let the angels take care of the business? Or even better, why need Evas at all? Why be such douchebags who screwed-up the mental and emotional life of innocent 14-year-olds? They can just fuse Adam and Lilith, create a god, and pretty much use the god's "omnipotent powers" to [[Deus Ex Machina]] the angels out of existence.
 
Well, besides the fact that if a god was created on the first try and then used against the Angels the plot would end up as either a boring [[God Mode Sue]] or a [[Space Runaway Ideon]] ripoff if the Angels are at least a challenge with truly Lovecraftian superpowers, we might as well assume that the Angels are going to fuck up Instrumentality so badly it instead prevents Instrumentality and leads to the Angels becoming Kaworu-esque humans. Seele, being the douchebags that they are, instead inverted the whole fact and said that "the Angels are going to annihilate us and the only pathway for humanity's survival is for us to strike first". It can be asked, why go to such lengths? There are like a hundred ways for the destruction of humanity, right? Answer: Human Nature. Sure, Seele might be [[Omnicidal Maniac]] [[Nietzsche Wannabe|Nietzsche Wannabes]], but when there's an Omnicidal Maniac there's going to be a bunch of heroes going to stop him in their will to survive. And no matter how convincing an Omnicidal Maniac's [[Hannibal Lecture]] may be, the majority will always be in the support of the heroes who "save the day". Asteroid Impact? No problem, we'll just blow it up. [[The Virus]]? We'll cure it. Nuclear bombs? [[Zombie Apocalypse]]? [[Nanomachines]]? [[Wave Motion Gun|Wave Motion Guns]]? Ordinary waking up [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]] from the Great Beyond? [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|No problem with the power of the Human FIST!!!!]] And a bit of [[For Science!|Science]]. Basically, Seele's plot involved turning the Human Fist against those innocent Cthulhus out there whose only wish is to [[Become a Real Boy]] but cannot speak and thus are automatically [[Acceptable Targets]] by the [[Chewbacca Defense]], said punching out Cthulhu is merely a distraction designed to further Seele's real goal, which is actually backstabbing humanity to death in the form of a Yog-Sothoth who will eat humanity's souls once and for all. Which is fitting of an [[Evil Plan]]. Of course, that didn't prevent Instrumentality from still being fucked-up, since there is another backstabber by the name of Gendo Ikari. You may also ask, didn't Kaworu said something about him annihilating all of humanity? Yes he did, but since this is Kaworu he might as well be speaking parables, and his destroy all humans assumption is simply a metaphor for Shinji's solipsism and impending willingness to commit suicide. Also, since Kaworu is an agent of Seele rather than an actual Angel, he might be as well an actual Adam who simply made the decision of backstabbing Seele, like Gendo.
 
== The real reason why Seele planned the Instrumentality is solely because they are extremely paranoid and fearful about Death / Hell / Gehenna / Tartarus / Underworld / The Afterlife / something like that ==
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== The First Ancestral Race is actually the Rei/Adam/Lilith/Shinji Merger from the future, sending itself back into time/another dimension to create Alternate Universes! ==
 
First, we don't know much of anything about what the First Ancestral Race actually were, except that they made Adam and Lilith. And if somehow those two merged, they essentially become a God that can mess with reality/create new reality/whatever the hell it wants. Unless the First Ancestral Race itself has power equal to that, how can it make something so utterly mindboggling? Because it made itself....IN THE FUTURE/ORIGINAL ALTERNATE DIMENSION! And the reason it keeps crashing into Earth and doing...whatever, is because the Shinji Part the Merger of it really, really, wants a world where someone who shares his Soul is happy.
 
The Lance of Longinus is actually not unique at all in the end though, since it could easily be replicated just by normal technology. Divine Merger Shinji/Rei sent copies of it to each new Earth/AU, just in case something goes wrong again.
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This all makes total sense. And the Dead Sea Scrolls was written by Kaworu! Who then sent it into the Past so SEELE could read it and engineer the events that would this insane Egg made it's own Chicken that would make it's Egg nonsense possible. I mean, how the hell could Humans magically understand an Alien Language so perfectly? Because Kaworu had already written it PRECISELY so SEELE could translate it!
 
And those Spectral Rei's are all the representations of the Rei/Shinji/Adam/Lilith Merger checking on each Earth/AU's progress.
 
== Neon Genesis Evangelion takes place from the perspective of a hedgehog ==
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== The Instrumentality is a metaphor for Euthanasia ==
It's obvious.
 
== The Instrumentality is a metaphor for Nirvana ==
It's also obvious.
** It's a metaphor for the general concept of "heaven" held by almost all religions. Yeah, this is about 99.9% confirmed.
 
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Ok, ok, ok. This is more wishful thinking than Wild Mass Guessing. However, the tone at the end of the series is so irreconcilable with the very last scene of ''EoE'', that one cannot help but scream WTF and think there is something missing. Here it is¦..
 
After Asuka's final line in the movie, Shinji wakes up with a start. The previous scene was a dream. Shinji and Asuka are still alone on the beach. However, things are slightly different. Shinji looks in one direction, and sees forests thick with vegetation. In the other direction, he sees Tokyo-3. The city appears to be empty, but the buildings are repaired and clean, and there are sounds coming from the city that suggests humans might already have returned. Shinji then looks at Asuka and stands up. He closes his eyes, clenches his fits, and remembers all of the speeches from the last two episodes of NGE and the parting words of Yui from ''EoE''. With courage in his voice, he says to Asuka, "Before you start screaming at me listen", and then proceeds to tell her that it was physically impossible for him to awake Unit 01 in time. He also tells her that he did not pull her out of the LCL, but that he is happy she is there, Because I wouldn't have anyone else by my side! Asuka gets up and tells Shinji she knows. She also says that she decided to leave the LCL herself. She then pulls in a shocked Shinji for a long and passionate kiss. As the two embrace, the camera pulls out, and Fly me too the moon plays.
* ...what?
* That's already been discussed extensively [[Fanfiction.net|here]].
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* You could make a case for Kaji=Lust and Rei=Sloth. Also, Shinji may have started out representing Sloth before being broken into a form more useful to NERV, which would make Asuka Wrath. Also fitting, wouldn't you say?
* The same could be said of Misato. If you'll recall, the two of them spent a whole week together.
* This could actually be very solid if one chose to use more ancient forms of the Seven Sins, back when they were Eight, for example: Gula (gluttony), Fornicatio (fornication, lust), Avaritia (avarice/greed), Tristitia (sorrow/despair), Ira (wrath), Acedia (acedia), Vanagloria (vainglory) and Superbia (hubris, pride). Rei in particular is practically the textbook definition of acedia, and Asuka is very much vainglory (but wrath could also work, with Ritsuko being vainglory). Gendo would then be hubris, Misato gluttony, Shinji would be despair, I'd say, but I'm not so sure about avarice and lust.
 
 
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Since they can't create sparks for the Evas, it makes sense that NERV might try to use mankind's closest equivalent (human souls) as a substitute.
* Except that the Evas aren't robots, but cyborgs. Additionally, the various fins are consistent with the series' internals as shown in the scenes using them.
* It may be [[Transformers Armada|Unicronian]] technology. That was somewhat organic.
 
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Cute animal mascot in what ended up bieng a very dark and mindscrewing series? Pen Pen was actually trying to lighten things up and help everyone keep things together so that they would be in better shape mentally and stop Seele's plans (Penguins don't like for the oceans to be full of tang). Sadly Misato sent him away at a critical juncture, and screwed it up.
== The entire series is inspired by the infamous [http://www.jimloy.com/games/freecel0.gif Game 11982 of Freecell.] ==
Those who play a lot of Freecell will understand the joy in how the field slowly progresses from chaos to order with each deliberate move, ultimately reaching the point where all the loose ends simply fall into place (so simply that most versions do it for you). Just like a typical action series. Now, Windows users set up that particular game, or any reader deal it out and play it yourself. If you had tried that, over and over again, before it became public knowledge that ''not'' all Freecell games are winnable, wouldn't you have written something like ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]''?
 
== Third Impact didn't last long. ==
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*** You know, if all humanity has been merged into one giant puddle of Tang, then there is a chance that there may be glitching when individuals try to get back out...
*** That totally undermines anyone's individuality though. Its also highly derogatory that 3 aspects of the main 14 year old male character's crushes are embodied in this one person following the end. Especially considering the whole point if someone wants to enough, they can reject instrumentality as Shinji did. Misato was dead and Rei was the instigator, so if anyone had a reason to reject it, it was Asuka. I get the composite character thing, but that was probably a thematic choice, but the disgust is pure Asuka. I mean, It just makes sense!
** An alternate idea that comes to mind is that Shinji wished for a much lighter, less serious version of the world as suggested, but the similarities between this idea and the end of [[The Big O]] are staggering enough to suggest Yui Ikari is this universe's equivalent of Angel, all theme naming aside.
* If the movies are a [[Peggy Sue]] -- that is, if one of the characters has arrived back at the beginning of the story with foreknowledge of the original series -- the obvious candidate is ''Misato''. She acts differently from her original self, being somewhat more mature and treating Shinji as less of a child (though that could be because most of the "domestic" scenes were cut, leaving only her [[Badass]] commanding officer moments.) Most importantly, she knows about Lilith, and shows her to Shinji around 18 episodes ahead of schedule -- the one major plot departure in the first movie from the series. This goes a long way to help motivate Shinji fight Ramiel...
* Alternatively Mari Illustrious Makinami is the Peggy Sue, and in fact Toji's little sister, who is often called Mari in fanon.
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*** ''The Simpsons ''is simply a much-altered universe where the laws of physics are so different everything gained a mutated look. Either way, C. Montgomery Burns is clearly Gendo, who has clearly given up on resurrecting Yui in favor of being filthy stinkin' rich. Shinji is of course Bart, and Rei and Asuka are Sherri and Terri. Homer Simpson is the physical manifestation of Misato's love for beer. Kaji is Principal Skinner or Ned Flanders. For everyone else, take your pick.
*** The Alliance of ''Firefly'' is headed by NERV/SEELE, and possibly by an immortal Gendo. The rebellion, founded by a descendant of Shinji, is trying to stop Instrumentality again. The Reavers were an attempt by NERV/SEELE to recreate Instrumentality without the need for EVAs or Angels, possibly "artificially" by inducing a hyper-relaxed state as stated on the show and therefore achieving the same end goal as Instrumentality proper.
**** Or, it's the distant future, and the only people left are distant descendents of the least social skilled members of mankind, and the most individualistic.
***** Wait, are you saying that Mal is descended from '''''SHINJI?!?!?!?!''''' That might be going into [[Poison Oak Epileptic Trees]] territory there.
****** Or the cool anti-social people, in other continents.
*** ''Dino-Riders ''involves SEELE trying to recreate Instrumentality with Dinosaurs (not too terribly familiar with that show)
*** Metal Gear Solid 2 deserves a special mention, IMHO. Shinji < - > Raiden, Asuka < - > Rosemary, Rei < - > Emma, Kaji < - > Solid Snake, Gendou < - > Solidus, SEELE < - > The Patriots, just to name a few off the top of my head.
*** Whew, there. I believe that satisfies the requirements.
*** Oh no, I have some series for you. Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, Hellsing. Super Monkey Ball, and the Mickey Mouse canon.
*** This is starting to tie in with my fledgling "Eureka Seven/Gurren Lagann/Spongebob/Zelda exist in the same timeline" theory. I never watched NGE, though, so I'll need some help fleshing this out.
**** For Mr. Rogers there is one solution: THERE'S ONLY ONE HUMAN IN THE SHOW!
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*** Twilight: Vampires represent the Angels, "perfect" beings with imperfect conditions that prevent them peacefully co-existing with humans, werewolves are Evas (more animalistic beings, some of which [piloted EVAs] live amongst humans despite the danger). Bella is Shinji, Edward is {{spoiler|Kaworu}} as Shinji wished they could be ([[Ho Yay|to be together]]), Renesme is Asuka (what happens with her is mostly a result of Shinji and {{spoiler|Kaworu}} screwing around and not doing their best to {{spoiler|defeat the evil Angels/vampires}} before {{spoiler|being imprinted/MindRaped by Jacob/the hypersynch}}). Gendo is Bella's mother, Misato is her father, Rei {{spoiler|and Lilith}} hasn't appeared yet since it's not quite the end of the series, and Pen-Pen simply doesn't feature in the {{spoiler|Instrumentality dream}}.
*** Evangelion takes place inside Instrumentality in a kind of infinitely recursive loop!
*** Evangelion is the future of {{spoiler|K-On!}}. Yui is obviously Yui, her guitar skills leading to Shinji's development of his Cello skills. Yui is a little bit of a Cloudcuckoolander in both, less obviously so in Evangelion but it's still an important part of her character. Her weirdness is best proven in her ungodly complex plan for Instrumentality, which she saw as a bit of a game.
* Okay, for the ultimate challenge, somebody had to do [[Real Life]].
** Obviously, Shinji chooses to {{spoiler|become God}} and lives in a world where {{spoiler|Second Impact}} never occurred! In order to ensure that everything goes according to plan, he becomes a person born before it happened. However, even after all the Instrumentality stuff, he is still prone to depression and decides to write his own story. Shinji Ikari is {{spoiler|Hideaki Anno}}!
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** Jumping the gun, I'd say. We know next to nothing about NME!Kaworu's nature or origins in NME, let alone what the ultimate significance of that mysterious line will be. Whatever route the creators end up taking, it probably won't be retroactively applicable to the original show.
 
The worst thing going for the "Misato's father was the donor" idea is the simple fact that it lacks any concrete support in the end. On a thematic and character level, it is actually rather appropriate, and the basic setup is all there, but, regrettably, it was never taken advantage of.
 
First of all, consider: Misato is, on one level, participating in the Angels' extermination in order to avenge her father's death, but she told Shinji that is also, essentially, using them to '''take revenge on him''' and purging herself of his ghost, so to speak. Misato's tense, love/hate relationship with her father is directly paralleled with Shinji and Gendo -- and, as it goes, Shinji is also using the Angels to sublimate the rage towards his father ("Enemy! Enemy! Enemy! My enemy!!!"). And, as it goes, both of Shinji's "enemies" end up literally fusing when Gendo does that creepy thing with Adam's embryo. Considering this aspect alone, it would have made complete sense within NGE's framework for Misato's father to have done something squicky with Adam, producing the fusion of Angel and Lilin that is Kaworu. And so Misato's "vendetta/revenge" would have come to a rather logical and ironic conclusion...
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* Third Impact was the testing of the ultimate "Fuck The World" device, a la ''Boatmurdered.'' Originally, the Human Instrumentality Project was intended to create a more efficient way of taking care of goblin sieges, but more importantly, of elephants, carp, elves and the like. As a nice bonus, LCL is also actually a kind of booze. In fact, "Komm, susser Tod" goes pretty well with the last few installments of ''Boatmurdered,'' even.
* The Second Impact was said to be a contact experiment. They were experimenting with what would happen when a pickaxe contacted Adamantite.
** So, the Angels are [[Hidden Fun Stuff]]! As bad as the Third Impact was, at least they didn't have '&'.
* Sandalphon is actually !!Sandalphon!!.
** Nah, Sandalphon probably has the [FIREIMMUNE] creature token, at least.
* And there're no cats! Gendo was smart enough to avoid a catsplosion. Either that, or his gloves were Kitten Leather Gloves.
* Tokyo III was built on top of ''Hidden Fun Stuff''.
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** All versions of NGE are Shinji's instrumentality BSOD? Shinji just couldn't completely reject/alter the one person who seemed to care for him, even as Shinji murdered him. So subconsciously Shinji carries along the real Kaworu into each universe with himself. Kaworu just plays along in an attempt to help Shinji recover emotionally.
*** Kaworu is Itsuki in Haruhi Suzimaya in the Shinji = Kyon WMG s. Kaworu tells "Kyon" that Haruhi is god when it is Shinji/Kyon all along in his quest for a normal life. Every so often Kaworu/Itsuki makes subtle hints at Shinji/Kyon's true nature in an attempt to get Shinji to return to the "real" world and fix everything. It would also explain the [[Stupid Sexy Flanders]] both characters have.
** Angelic Days Rei wrote the original NGE? Kaworu gave her the * nudge nudge, hint hint*
** The show, or the whole franchise, is in purgatory? Then this is less meta and Kaworu is a celestial guard who has taken sympathy on one of the inmates, Shinji, and participates from time to time for his own motives.
* ...[[The Slayers/WMG|* cough* ]]...
** Holy shit! I just realized they've even got the same seiyuu. Wonder what this means for [[Saiyuki|Cho Hakkai]]?
*** The seiyuu that voices Kaworu and Xellos also voices [[Mahou Sensei Negima|Fate Averruncus]]. If we combine this with some other WMGs, and take this to its possible conclusion, we end up with Fate trying to enact a [[Gambit Roulette]] that will result in Shinji (as Negi) [[Everybody Lives|saving all of his friends]], and preventing [[The End of the World as We Know It]], allowing Shinji's mind to take another step towards heath.
** So, Xellos and Kaworu are just manifestations of a singular greater meta being that is also incarnated at Itsuki? Does this mean every fictional universe has a bit of Kawollotsuki..., an Elder god name if I ever heard one?
* ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'', of all things, appears to run with this; in Alpha 3, Kaworu (never mind how he managed to survive SRW Alpha in the first place) makes references to the events of SRW F Final and SRW MX, both in entirely different continuities. The leading theory in SRW fandom is that he's a Time <s>Lord</s> Diver and travels between dimensions, and thus is the same being in every continuity (including canon and presumably Rebuild).
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== Neon Feminist Evangelion! ==
NGE is fundamentally a feminist work from a male perspective. It explores women’s spiritual, familial, and societal roles, as well as typical personal dilemmas they must face. Many of the male characters, including the protagonist and his [[Magnificent Bastard]] father, are largely dependent on their relationships with women (Especially the protagonist and the Bastard, see also [[Oedipus Complex]]). The females are often defined by the conflicts that they, as women, encounter (Particular examples are Asuka, Misato and Ritsuko).
* Shinji and Asuka's attitudes are flipped compared to other idealistic anime. Sexual anxiety, an [[Unwanted Harem]] and lack of maternal attention are actually psychologically ''bad'' for you, as Shinji has shown and contrary to most other harem anime out there. [[Inferiority Superiority Complex|And if you force an Inferiority Complex down on a woman's throat, as patriarchal regimes had tried in the past, you may just end up with someone that has a really angry Superiority Complex, as Asuka has shown]].
* An Eva's armor, which constrains her body like a corset/bondage gear and makes her dependent on an external power source, symbolizes societally imposed restrictions on women. When Eva goes into berserker mode, freeing her from the restraint technology and strengthening her Ego Barrier (Absolute Terror Field), especially in times when she needs to protect herself and her child, you see woman's true, natural, powerful form, which from a misogynistic perspective is a disgusting, absolutely terrifying [[Eldritch Abomination]].
* In the Adam and Lilith mythology, Lilith is the first feminist, refusing to bow down to Adam. She is cast out of Eden, births the daemonic Lilim (the demons could symbolize how our society sees feminism as "daemonic", in [[Abuse Is Okay When Its Female On Male|one]] or [[Horny Devils|another]] sense), and becomes the Serpent of the Tree of Knowledge.
* As some fans have already proposed, Rei-Lilith is a manifestation of the [http://wiki.evageeks.org/The_Geektionary_N-S#Shekinah divine feminine].
* The Ikaris can also represent patriarchal rule. Gendo is the archetypal Patriarch. Yui and Shinji are the underlying weaknesses of this Patriarch's seemingly absolute totalitarian rule, with Yui being the dependence onto the opposite sex to maintain the basis for the Patriarch's power and Shinji as the agitating instability and [[Oedipus Complex|Oedipal rage]] that is waiting to collapse the entire power structure anytime (Gendo has Yui as his messiah and only reason to live which is why he does all this screwing-with-the-order-of-creation in the first place, and in ''End of Evangelion'' he even admits that he's afraid of his own son, making his true self behind his magnificent facade something very ''pathetic''). Not to mention that in many real life ancient empires that seem to be strictly Patriarchal from the outside, women usually assumed the role of [[The Man Behind the Man]]. <br /><br />Rei is the idealized woman, the Galatea that patriarchal regimes constructed: [[Extreme Doormat|silent, obedient, willing to do whatever the Patriarch says even at her own expense, and]] [[Moe Moe|exotically cute]] (see also: the [[wikipedia:Stereotypes of East Asians in the Western world#.22China doll.22 stereotype|"China doll"]] stereotype). Hideaki Anno tried to portray Rei as a unnatural mass-production clone straight out of the [[Uncanny Valley]] to parody objectification, but it fails in this area, since she ends up as the object of industrial-scale mass [[Perverse Sexual Lust]] of the otakus everywhere. And even then, what we see as this perfect Galatea is actually ''imperfect'', Rei herself gets [[Character Development]] where she grows from an [[Extreme Doormat]] into something capable of one's own volition, which (as EOE has shown) frightens Patriarch!Gendo indeed.....
** Perhaps the mass-production perversity is Anno's point all along: instead of facing reality with all its pain and sexual anxiety like how Shinji rejects the false reality of Instrumentality and chooses to be with Asuka despite fully knowing how much of a [[Jerkass]] she is, the otakus and male chauvinists choose to replace the real female with something artificial instead. They are who will get tanged first when the real-life Instrumentality comes.
* This is barely even a guess. The series is positively awash with feminist themes, and [[Hideaki Anno]] is a friend of another feminist filmmaker, [[Hayao Miyazaki]]. NGE is also one of the most influential works in the ''Superflat'' genre, which openly mocks otaku sexism (along with other aspects of Japanese modern culture), particularly about the popularity of the ''[[Moe]]'' genre (which is associated with objectification) among otakus and misogynists alike. <br /><br />During the time NGE was made, Japan in particular is still obsessed with the ''[[Yamato Nadeshiko]]'' ideal, which produces conflicts with women's liberation. NGE shows this to a degree with the Rei and Asuka contrast (with Asuka being the extreme foreign element). Nowadays, one of the consequences of growing gender equality in Japan is, instead of mutual respect it happened to be growing misunderstanding. Young women are revolting against the traditional role of obedient housewife. Just like how Rei gets [[Character Development]] from an [[Extreme Doormat]] into someone capable of free will. Startled men are retreating into solitary ways. Just like how Gendo fell from a relatively normal and sociable person into someone very callous and antisocial. Of course, this conflict contributes to growing [[Hikikomori|hikikomorism]] and the decline of marriages/birth rate/population, making gender issues even more relevant to Japanese society-at-large. <br /><br />Also, one of the most major interpretations of [[A Date with Rosie Palms|that]] [[Dude, She's Like, in a Coma|scene]] in End of Evangelion is being Anno's way of [[Flipping the Bird]] to both the antisocials and the merchandising that serves them. Someone needs to write an essay on this, like, now.
 
== Evangelion is about learning to drive ==
Seriously, think about it:
* Shinji's father pulls him up out of the blue and puts him in a big, scary metal machine which is quite capable of killing him or someone else if he misuses it.
* He is immediately thrown out into a hostile situation and expected to master said machine on the fly
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* Misato is an officer in the US military, who knew Ritsuko when she was an exchange student. She is stationed as an officer in one of the US bases in Japan. She visits often because her husband Kaji is insane, which has brought out her alcoholic tendencies - which are not nearly as bad as Shinji thinks they are. Seeing how Shinji bonds with Kaji, she comes be something of a maternal figure to the boy.
* Kaji is Misato's husband. He is convinced he is a double agent working for the CIA and Japanese Intelligence. He treats Shinji like a favorite cousin, filling in a paternal role.
* Asuka and Rei are fellow patients whom Shinji befriends. Asuka is also a withdrawn, hikikimori-type girl who easily gets caught up in Shinji's world. Rei is made emotionally distant by the mood stabilisers she takes as she receives counselling for domestic abuse. Both hang out with Shinji for a while but leave his life after when they are released. Shinji's most vivid and violent imaginings see Rei and then Asuka 'killed off' as they leaves him to his fantasies, though he later fixates himself on the memory of Rei in his final days in treatment.
* Kaworu, a [[Sociopath|sociopathic]] genius (who resembles [[A Clockwork Orange (film)|Alex]] in that he loves classical music, especially Beethoven's Symphony No. 9, while committing acts of ultraviolence), was institutionalised when he killed a kitten in a crowded street. He 'befriends' the vulnerable Shinji for his own amusement, taking Misato hostage with Shinji at his side. Emotionally torn, Shinji attacks Kaworu who goads Shinji into killing him.
** Just another thought to throw in there: Do you think Shinji really decapitated him or was that just a delusion?
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** Lilith is Shinji's warped recollection of his mother in death, who has become to him a faceless giant. Reflecting Shinji's underdeveloped sexuality and social skills she has become a grotesque, deformed and powerless figure.
* An asteroid did in fact hit Antarctica some years ago. It did cause some problems and a slight rise in sea levels, but not nearly as much as Shinji likes to imagine.
* EoE represents the last throes of Shinji's insanity and his re-admittance into normal society. The last two episodes of Evangelion show his personal journey towards coming to terms with his mental problems and rejecting the dream-world he has created to avoid dealing with them. Pronounced well enough to be released from the asylum to live in a special school with other released patients, he tries to get into the swing of a normal Japanese highschooler's life while he is still slightly out of touch with reality.
 
== When the Evas go into berserker mode, they instinctively manifest their AT Fields to the contours of their bodies. ==
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* But why would the engineers let the EVAS have penises or vaginas, after all?
** [[Rule 34|As if you need to ask.]]
"Seeds and Evas have no physical gender" is more like viewers' default assumption, with "they are physically female" being a rather idiosyncratic and statistically unpopular, however notorious, viewpoint. That said, there is no official word on the matter, so interpretation doesn't have to be rigidly enforced in either direction (female or sexless -- although given the intense "mother" themes and female symbology, male is probably out). Perhaps this goes without saying, though.
 
Other items to note: Adam's method for producing the Angels is in fact completely unknown; the aforementioned "birthing" theory for Eva-01's creation actually does take the image from episode #23' into account; the biological status of being female is not actually as straightforward as this entry implies (e.g., if a species abandons its males and takes up parthenogenesis, its members do not suddenly stop being females); LCL coming from between Lilith's legs has rather straightforward implications that do not disappear because vulvae appear on heads and so forth elsewhere; Lilith's little legs probably have more to do with Rei than anything else; and the Spears could possibly be invoked to satisfy a "male role" if necessary (which they already do on a symbolic level),
 
In the ''Rebuild'' continuity, Unit-01 has a visible ''scrotum'', if one carefully freeze frames the apotheosis sequence (concept art also depicts it with a penis). Whether this is because the pilot and the EVA must be the same sex to sync properly or because it throws in pointless transgender-incest symbolism is anyone's guess. Technical readouts in the original series indicate Unit-00 has a prostate gland and at least one cowper's gland (the male body has two), which may be one of the many indicators why it doesn't function properly (i.e. greatly differing hormone and neurotransmitter levels compared to the pilot).
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== The AT Field cannot account for all of the phenomena surrounding Evas and Angels ==
Somewhere along the line, Eva fandom got this [[Fanon|weird idea]] that the AT Field could do anything it ever wanted forever and ever and ever, amen. With such gems as: "AT Fields can make things fly, it can make things explode, it can conduct electricity", and the strangest so far: "AT Fields can work like glue". I blame Kaworu and his cryptic lines about souls and lights and whatever. It's fully possible that the AT Field's sole purpose is being just that, a forcefield of some manner, and that many of the unique abilities of the Angels and Evas are caused by other properties.
* Of course the A.T. Field doesn't account for [[EVER Ything]], but it does account for a lot. The A.T. Field fundamentally isn't even a forcefield -- it's a projection of a being's soul, and the emanating, polygonal forcefield, while being the thing usually referred to as "A.T. Field", is but one manifestation the ATF can take. For unresolved reasons, the ATF is much more powerful in Angels, Evas, etc., than in "normal" lifeforms, to the point that it can essentially manipulate physical reality. That A.T. Fields have multiple uses is firmly established within both the show itself and supplemental materials and certainly is no invention of a deluded fandom.
 
== Rebuild of Evangelion is a Reconstruction ==
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* As far as we know, from supplemmental materials (informed by Anno himself) released after the show finished airing, the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls are merely manuals that contain details about the "workings" of the Seeds of Life (Adam and Lilith), and what happens when either is awoken. They contain no information regarding Instrumentality, since the concept of Instrumentality itself was developed by Seele, who used the information found in the S.D.S.S. as a sort of groundworks. The show itself contains almost no infromation about what is written in the S.D.S.S .
 
== Angels are not actually "alternate evolutions" of humans themselves, but their representatives ==
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* That idea would make an awesome fanfic. Also, does it sound like [[Bokurano]] to anyone?
* Wait, that means that Leliel is the representative of [[Doctor Who|the Vashta Nerada!]]
* The "Earth can't support Angels" concept is pretty firmly [[Jossed]] by a couple of things. One, Angels don't NEED resources, they have infinite energy generators, as stated in series. Nor do they need the Earth to support them - the Angelic ecosystem has no plants. The CI in the video game also implies that Adam and Lilith are terraforming devices with their own ecosystems (just add water!) and thus the Angels are an ecosystem in and of themselves, and not extra dimensional. "Alternate evolutions" was just a descriptive term. The two sets of ecosystems are completely unrelated.
** Although the representative concept can still work, think of the Angels and Evas as monuments.
* The whole "alternate evolutions" thing seems to be memetic mutation stemming from bochan_bird's script translation of ''EoE'', which may have obscured the meaning of a critical line by, incidentally, not being literal enough! Misato seems to be essentially saying that "we humans" (18th Angel, Lilin) and the "Angels" (Adam's progeny) are two possible humanities, and, unlike us, the Angels abandon human form (see: Sandalphon). This interpretation seems to be affirmed by an info dump from an anonymous Seed of Life in ''Neon Genesis Evangelions 2'' (PSP), who reminds Kaworu that Seeds of Life served as "designers" for their progeny, and "either bestowed upon them shapes as any form of life, or acted as representatives and chose the form" (Angels vs. Lilin, anyone?).
 
== Our guess is as good as yours. ==
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*** Keel Lorenz is {{spoiler|future moot}} then, after being corrupted by /b/. This leads to an alternate timeline where [[Memetic Mutation|TEH REI]] was a more lasting meme than she was in our world, leading to {{spoiler|moot}} turning into a [[Misaimed Fandom|misaimed fan]] of SEELE's goals after becoming like Anonymous and then watching Evangelion, followed by the events of Evangelion happeneing due to Anonymous interference and then sending back records as the Evangelion we know, creating a [[Stable Time Loop]] when Rei becomes a meme.
**** Adding to that, Project Chanology and its aftermath introduced {{spoiler|moot}} to Scientology, which inspired him to cause the outlawing of psychology post-Second Impact through his [[Ancient Conspiracy]] world control, allowing all of humanity to go mad enough that they might accept this crazy Instrumentality thing. This backfired when one of the most disturbed people on Earth (who was purposefully broken as part of the grand master plan!) was given control of the process, and he turned out to be analogous to [[So Bad It's Good]]: Shinji turned out so crazy by the end that he had a moment of powerful sanity, and in that very moment he rejected Instrumentality. {{spoiler|Future moot's}} plan to break Shinji into a justifiably emo warrior with an occasional berserker rage [[Gone Horribly Right|turned out too successful]], to the ruin of the plan, all because a bunch of Internet users protested Scientology.
***** Or, the events of NGE was the possible result of the actions of both Scientology and Anon, as a response to the discovery of the AT Field and Adam. In this timeline, after the popularity of TEH REI, everybody discovered that AT Fields are real (see above WMG for example), as well as the existence of the aliens (Christians often called them Angels), but the factions who most exploited it was Scientology, which used the AT Field technology (and their abundance of money) to design "alien weapons", and Anon, who used the AT Field tech for [[Ghost in the Shell|"ghost hacking"]] and being able to troll higher organizations in Real Life (such as the Japanese Government, the USA and the United Nations). When the UN decided to meddle, they accidentally activated Adam while the Angels invaded (it could be possible they were members of either Scientology or Anon), causing Second Impact, and Scientology used this as propaganda aka an invasion of "Xenu", as well as using their lawyers, allowing them to take control of the world for a while, changing the date to 2000 (when in fact it was the distant future, see also [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|1984]]) and outlawing psychology, hence why [[There Are No Therapists]] (Christianity is still the dominant religion, hence the title ''Neon Genesis Evangelion'', but the organizations are under control of Scientology). The world fell into grim darkness and despair, yet Anon still survived, and discovered if the AT Fields of all people are removed, it can still have the chance to bring teh lulz back to the world. The most effective way to break someone's AT Field to submission? [[Perverse Sexual Lust]], or as we say it, breaking the fourth wall and oneself's AT Field for promise of unconditional love. However, as seen in Japan, it alone cannot destroy the AT Field, but when combined with [[Memetic Mutation]], or as we say it, [[The Virus]], and psychically projected, it will be turned [[Up to Eleven]] and break down the person's ego like a corrupting virus. They try to start Instrumentality from Japan and chose TEH REI as the meme, because of the conditions listed above. Anon appointed {{spoiler|moot}} as Keel Lorenz (or Gendo Ikari, to keep with Anon's meme theme). By creating IRL Rei Ayanami, and psychically seeding her all over the world using a cyborg dubbed "Eva" to infect everybody with the memetic version of Perverse Sexual Lust, Instrumentality happened, but it went wrong when Eva's original pilot, Shinji Ikari, was so despaired he decided to retain his identity instead of joining Anon. With this a failure, Shinji assimilated some of Anon's god-like powers, ruling the galaxy and becoming {{spoiler|Xenu}} himself. Xenu (who is actually {{spoiler|future Shinji}}) then imprisoned souls of several races of aliens (particularly [[The Bible|angels from a planet that resembled our ancient culture]]) in a massive [[MacGuffin]] named Adam, which allowed the rebirth of Angelkind and humanity, while Anon, in [[V for Vendetta|vendetta]] (and [[For the Evulz]]) created Lilith (hence Lilith's mask) and crashed it on one of Xenu's planets named "Teegeeack", on the hopes of starting TEH REI and instrumentality once again. Then, on Teegeeack, with the discovery of Adam and the popularity of TEH REI in the distant future... Let's think of it as like a [[Stable Time Loop]].
****** The concept of {{spoiler|moot}} being {{spoiler|Gendo Ikari}} and the concept of {{spoiler|Xenu}} being {{spoiler|both the First Ancestral Race and Shinji Ikari}}, and Teegeeack being cursed to repeat the curse of Evangelion once again for eternity is kinda interesting, but it makes more sense if Seele, with their obsession with alien precursors, were the Scientology guys while Gendo, being the [[Memetic Mutation|Uber-Pimp that he is]], worked separately for Anonymous and against the scientology guys, leading to him and Teh Rei haxoring the entire Instrumentality plan and putting the Instrumentality less in favor of a crap imitation of psychoanalysis and more in favor of trolling us otakus for teh lulz.
***** Some of Anonymous' quotes are "We are everyone and we are no one" and "United as one, divided by zero". The Instrumentality is specifically described by Rei in ''End of Evangelion'' as "a place where you exist everywhere, yet you are nowhere, all at once" and "a world where we are all one". Coincidence?
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* It matches, though, since Sophia had fallen from grace, mirroring how Lilith was crucified by the Lilim.
** Also mirroring how the "real" Lilith was expelled from Eden.
* Sophia means Wisdom, and Lilith is the Fruit of Knowledge. It does make sense. Also, the Demiurge is a lesser entity with a God complex and a celestial bureaucracy, which is most like modern Humanity.
* Wait, Sophia is always portrayed as naked and beautiful, while Lilith is virtually a giant ragdoll.
** Hello? Rei Ayanami? Always portrayed as naked and worshipped by otakus as [[Ms. Fanservice]]?
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== Shinji is the [[Warhammer 40000|Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind]] ==
No, not just [[Shinji and Warhammer40K|Shinji and Warhammer 40 K]]. Why did Yui plan to grant Shinji a bright future, when it actually turns out to be one of the biggest [[Grimdark]] [[Nightmare Fuel]] he ever experienced? Answer: it was to make him the God-Emperor of Mankind. The Sea of LCL / Instrumentalized Humanity evolves into the Warp. Shinji, being able to draw powers from LCL / Warp, became an immortal powerful psyker, and being the only surviving man, decides he can finally strip off his [[Butt Monkey]] tendencies and unify humanity (his descendants) as more of a Ubermensch this time, molding history form millenia and finally leading to the creation of the Imperium of Man. This of course would also make a good [[Freudian Excuse]] for the Imperium's actions. Alternatively, both Shinji And Warhammer 40k and Warhammer 40000 canon are Alternate Universes Shinji created during Instrumentality with him placing himself into the role of the possible God-Emperor.
 
== All the characters are representations of Anno's mind. ==
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* Shinji = Anno himself. Note in the first series Shinji is more wangsty while Anno is fighting and recovering from depression. The happier stuff while depressed and the more depressing end as he actually recovered. Revival written when Anno relapsed and raged against Otakudom. Rebuild, Shinji is happy as Anno now is. Rich and famous thanks to Otakudom.
* Rei = The inner Otaku. Rejected as a love interest compared to Asuka and designed to be creepy. However, being created for an anime and representative as his inner anime geek she is the lil' godling we all know she becomes. The love interest is off and on as Anno wavers back and forth with his views of Otakudom, and he/Shinji rejects her in the end of the original series in the hopes of normalness. In Revival she becomes enthralled with Shinji/Anno, mirroring the fans. However, because of Anno's hatred of the Otaku lifestyle around that time she becomes the effective destroyer of all life. In Rebuild, recovered and wealthy thanks to Otaku/Rei, Shinji/Anno as of Rebuild 2.0 loves her openly.
* Asuka = The "ideal" life. Active, boisterous, a tinge of exotic. Shinji becomes more like her as the original series progresses. Wavers between good and traumatized as Anno waves back and forth over if the "ideal" life is worth it.
** The basic premise of this (that all or most of the characters are a reflection of Anno) is undeniably true; it's what lends the series its extraordinary sincerity and brutal honesty, the same qualities that fundamentally make it so enthralling to some and so alienating to others. However, the same could be said of any writer who goes to great lengths to flesh out his or her characters psychologically, and I doubt any of this was as calculated or literal as you propose. Anno was quoted a couple years ago as saying about ''Rebuild'' that Mari was the first character he's created who wasn't fundamentally "a part of him", or something to that effect.
 
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== Humans themselves are an Evangelion to an unknown species, and there are in fact infinite Evangelions, nestled within each other. ==
Think about it: Evangelions can replicate near-human emotions and feeling, and are apparently biological in nature, like humans. Evas are also described as the actual "humans" in the series, NOT the humans (which are termed Lilim, or demons). Also, look closer to the AT Field: it seems to possess a layered structure, like an onion. In EOE, the Evangelion becomes assimilated to a Giant Naked Rei, which itself is a giant human. In instrumentality, when the humans became Tang, red dots break outside the humans and join the Giant Rei. If that's the case, then an Evangelion is a human, and the human itself is an Evangelion, possibly to another lifeform (the red dots), which itself is an Evangelion to another lifeform, and so on. The conclusion: In NGE, there are infinite humans nestled within each other. Instrumentality is simply the process of replacing the "useless" layers. The same can also apply to Angels. A better comparison might be a [[wikipedia:Matryoshka doll|matryoshka doll]].
* Nothing is said about Lilin being any less human than the other human entities in the show (Evas, Angels, Seeds of Life, etc.). "Lilin" is most straightforwardly a reference to our status as Lilith's offspring; that the Lilin are traditionally Lilith's demonic spawn has more to do with subtext and irony than us literally being "demons".
 
== It's all [[Haruhi Suzumiya]]'s delusion. ==
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After the final scene in EOE, {{spoiler|Asuka leaves Shinji (He is the trope namer for Dude She's in A Coma after all)}}. As Shinji {{spoiler|wanders the post-apocalyptic world, he starts to go mad, and is subject to occasional bouts of laughter. One day, he comes across a group of young people. They have formed their own little community, where they are surviving, but barely holding onto their sanity. Part of what keeps them going is that they have stumbled across a collection of old movies, tv shows, comics, games ,etc, and they will snark about them. Shinji falls into this crowd. They teach him the art of snark, along with how to be a strong person. However, he is still screwed up psychologically and feels guilty about causing Third Impact}}. His {{spoiler|depression morphs into a habit of going on occasional wild rants and laughing uncontrollably. Throughout this all, he comes to consider his fellow snarkers as a family, and wants to save them from the maddness that they are slipping into as their collection is not infinite and an inevitable slide into maddness seems to be the most likely future}}.
 
Shinji becomes {{spoiler|obsessed with reversing the effects of Instrumentality. While he doesn't invent any breakthrough scientific devices, he does become obsessed with science...he goes to the lake where Rei's corpse is and run "experiments" using fanatical devotion to the scientific method to try and revive her/retake control of her. He succeeds (walks through her shown-to-be not entirely solid body? I dont know) to revive the hybrid}}. There is a tremendous, trippy psychological fight within the {{spoiler|creature (this is eva after all) between the snarker in Shinji and the manic, mad scientist personality he has developed. Realizing he cant win, he decides the best gift he can give his friends is to bring back everyone, but scrub their minds of everything that happened after second impact...basically, everyone will think its the year 2000, and live their lives from there, although he will make sure the members of Seele remember nothing of eva, the dead sea scrolls, and will not be in control of the world. Shinji realizes that this means he will lose his memories as well, but he is fine with that. With the knowledge that everything will be alright, Shinji symbolically dies, content and at peace with himself at last..}}.
 
The world {{spoiler|is reset, and the family that Shinji found becomes the team at TGWTG. Shinji's split-personality remains intact, however, resurfacing as the never-ending battle between Spooney and Insano. Asuka is reincarned as Scarlett (Spooney's girlfriend) Considering eva, I'd say this is a pretty happy ending ;)}}.
 
== Lilith / Yui Ikari / Rei Ayanami is in fact [[Messianic Archetype|Jesus Christ]] ==
As Lilith she exists as YHWH / Adam's equivalent, is our Mother, and was crucified by the Lilin. As Yui she becomes a parental figure to Shinji, with some Philosopher tendencies, and was crucified in Unit 01 for the protection of humanity. As Rei, she exists to protect Shinji, even though Shinji keeps rejecting her, and as seen in the fight against Armisael, she died for his (mankind's) sins. She rose again as The Third (Rei III), became our universal Companion both in Fiction and [[Perverse Sexual Lust|Real Life]], brought Armageddon (Instrumentality), and died again for Shinji.
* Gendo himself represents Christianity, if that's the case. After the death of Yui, he was so fanaticized that he created a replica Yui, which he altered with metaphysical biology (aka, Rei). He only cared about her, wishing to merge with her in Instrumentality, forgetting Shinji in the process and ending up becoming a brutal hypocritical villain whom Yui would not actually want Gendo to become. How is that similar to modern Christianity? After the death of Jesus, the disciples created a replica religion after him, called Christianity, which they added with their own [[Word of Dante]]. They only cared about him, wishing to merge with him in Heaven, forgetting Real Life in the process and as the Medieval Catholic Church shows becoming the institution that was less "Love thy neighbour" and more "'''''[[Knight Templar|HERESY!]]'''''".
 
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== Everyone went to Heaven in the last episode ==
* As someone said that [[Lost]] had an ending similar to [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] (there's a theory on that on the "Lost" page), it is only fair someone do the same to NGE. The [[Lost]] ending was at least more comprehensible than NGE's.
 
== Being screwed up is a ''requirement'' for being an Eva pilot. ==
"Absolute Terror Field" is supposed to refer to the way traumatized people push others away from them, and are unable to make connections to other people. Interpreting it like that, in their Evas the strength of their AT-field depends on how badly they connect to others in real life. A very responsive and extroverted individual would let his field crumble instantly, subconsciously seeking to connect with the Angels, but a person who fears all close contact with others pushes them away, and strengthens the field with their anxiety. Now, is it any wonder that Shinji's AT-field is the strongest of them all? The effects of Asuka's mental collapse weren't directly caused by the loss of confidence, but from her increasingly passive mindset that couldn't even have the energy to shut others away properly
* The premise of this one is true, as discussed (way) above.
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== Yui Ikari's maiden name is [[K-On!|Hirasawa]]. ==
No, this does not make any sense at all. I just wanted to see what would happen if you mixed a [[Tastes Like Diabetes]] [[Slice of Life]] anime from [[Kyo Ani]] with a [[Nightmare Fuel|deeply disturbing]], super-[[Mind Screw]] anime from Gainax. I hope I don't get flamed for this.
 
Though, if you think about it, this could happen, since [[K-On!]] Yui had [[Sickeningly Sweethearts|Sickeningly Sweetheart]] parents, which could realistically translate into adult Yui (both K-On! and NGE) being kind and caring, which, from what little characterization we get for Shinji's mother, she seems to be. A more complete comparison/description can be found at the [[K-On!/WMG|K-On! WMG.]]
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== The angels are [[Humans Are Cthulhu|ordinary humans]] ==
That's right, you heard me. And the "humans" are insects, either ants or termites. Sachiel? He's just a police officer. The EVAS? Owners of the house, or environmentalists fighting for insect rights. Lilith? A dead hooker buried under the lawn. Israfel? Two kids playing piggyback. Gaghiel? He's just someone on the swimming pool. Sandalphon? A baby. Sahaquiel? An aeroplane seen from the distance. Zeruel? Probably an exterminator. Arael and Armisael? They're both entomologists ([[Mind Rape]]? That's just dissection). Instrumentality? A can of Raid. The octahedral one? A tiller. The one shaped like bacteria? A lawnmower.
* This Troper actually considered this as canon. Angels' progenitor is called ADAM (The first living HUMAN). If The Angels' progenitor is called Adam and the Humans' progenitor is called Adam, then the Angels are Humans. The Lilims themselves are like insects, and Lilith / Rei is somehow a [[Hive Queen]] / unifying symbol / [[Mook Maker]] (which is similar to actual insect hive queens). Heck, in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' females rule and males are [[Loners Are Freaks|freaky loners]], like in actual insect hives. The Eva pilots? They might be lice.
 
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== The AT Field and Kaworu's conception of it as the energy that separates people is a lie ==
Two explanations: Take this literally, and the AT Field is simply some kind of force field that is utilized by beings made of particle-wave matter (Angels, Evas) and isn't related to the extroversion and introversion of people. Take this metaphorically, and the AT Field is what makes people lie to each other (which sounds like [[Code Geass]] ' own version of Instrumentality).
 
Another theory, is that the Instrumentality, which is Eva's own cake, is a lie. It was just Shinji's psychotherapy session.
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== The Angels are War Machines ==
The First Ancestral Race made at least two kinds of seeds: Black Moons with Lilith, who create "normal" terrestrial life that can eventually develop into sentient beings (they might also contain the original form of the First Ancestral Race), and the White Moons with Adam, who create the Angels which command great destructive power but have no real will of their own.
 
The First Ancestral Race was not alone in the universe, but the "life" they encountered was so alien and malignant that they designated some worlds (such as Earth) as guardian worlds or some such, to be populated by Angels which would fight against such beings as they encountered them. However, when Lilith was knocked off course for whatever reason, Earth's case went pear shaped. The reason the Angels wish to reunite with Adam and cause Third Impact is so they can wipe Earth clean and set it up as a guardian world as originally intended.
* Maybe the utterly alien species they encountered were the [[Humans Are Cthulhu|Humans of Real Life]], concerning the postmodernist tendencies of NGE....
* The utterly alien beings encountered were the [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Anti-Spirals]].
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O...k. This might be a stretch, but some facts (as far as I can recall).
1) Every living thing with awareness has an AT Field.
2) The AT Field is used to isolate the true self/soul from others.
3) Angels and Evangelions can PROJECT their AT Fields.
4) AT Fields are strong enough to stop anything up to the honestly-not-a-nuke N2 Mine.
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5) Angels are trying to reunite with Adam and cause 3rd Impact, which would, to quote the fandom [[Memetic Mutation|"turn everybody into Tang"]]
 
Drawing from these facts, This Troper proposes (insane smile here) that Angels have such a strong AT Field BECAUSE they are completely afraid, isolated, and alone. Completely. This means that the Angels' desire to cause 3rd Impact isn't out of any sort of maliciousness. They are genuinely terrified of EVERYTHING in reality. They want to cause 3rd impact to STOP being so isolated and afraid. This theory would go some way to explaining why Angels never work together. They feel more isolated and terrified of even others of their species than Shinji on a very very very bad day. Possibly they would even view it as a kindness. If they thought that every living thing was like then maybe they think that it would be an act of generousity to make everybody one without doubts or fears.
 
But yeah, this is sorta a crack theory, even for the WMG page.
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It was proven in Another Day, the alternate universe bonus chapter in The World Ends With You that Joshua can transport himself to alternate dimentions. Therefore, we can asume that after The World Ends With You ended Joshua decided to try another reality.
 
Enter Evangelion, a reality way more screwed up than his home reality. After he was done with that, he decided to do research into what other people are like. Shinji and Neku were similar, but Shinji was a much worse case. So he decided to insert himself into another reality. As Izaya Orihara of [[Durarara!!]].
 
As Izaya he decided to take a much more direct approach in researching humanity. He also tried a new look, something he didn't think of when he was Kaworu. He eventually pissed of Shizuo Heiwajima which led Joshua to partially abandon this reality, as he would still slip back in from time to time to do more research.
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* You mean [[Magic: The Gathering|Planeswalkers?]]
 
== The Episode26!AU Pen-Pen is a celebrity with a massive merchandising empire. ==
Hence why AU!Shinji has a Pen-Pen bobblehead. Also because Pen-Pen is awesome, and the idea of TV-star Pen-Pen is too epic to ignore.
 
== The First Ancestral Race created the Reapers ==
 
Hey, mysterious god aliens can have more than one [[Eldritch Abomination]] creation, can't they? And the Reapers have an [[Assimilation Plot]] somewhat similar (though very different in the details) to Seele's plan of instrumentality.
* Maybe the First Ancestral Race also created the [[H.P. Lovecraft|Great Old Ones]], the [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Anti-Spirals]] and all our mythological gods.
* This means that, naturally...
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Rei can pilot any Eva, regardless of whose soul is in it, so why should the soul in her preferred Eva be someone close to her?
 
== The human race makes it through Third Impact only to suffocate to death. ==
At the end of End of Evangelion {{spoiler|every single Lillithian Life Form has been transformed into LCL. This is every organism on the planet. Then we're told that everyone with force of personality will come back, given that Shinji counted, we can assume that the definition of force of personality is pretty low. But probably not as low as say...a plant. You've got the entire human population of the world, probably a lot of animals but not a single plant which means there's nothing converting CO2 to Oxygen}}
* I don't know about that. This troper has met some house plants with more of a force of personality than Shinji. I'm not kidding.
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== How and Why instrumentality failed. ==
This theory goes as follows; instrumentality failed because not all conciousnesses were combined. In his hatred for Gendo, Shinji prevented Gendo from joining instrumentality. Without Gendo something was missing from instrumentality. This is why instrumentality did not 'feel right' to Shinji resulting in him reversing the process.
 
== Pen-Pen is god ==
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== The Anti AT Field generated by Lilith during Third Impact that turns everyone to orange goo is the [[Darkseid|Anti-Life Equation]] ==
 
When [[Final Crisis|Darkseid fell backwards through time]] his death manifested in the Evangelion timeline as Third Impact and the Second Impact that preceded it. Everyone on Earth was merged into one being, one life, one will that is [[Darkseid]]. ''End of Evangelion'' is so depressing and bleak because it's the Anti-Life Equation trying to manifest in our world. Give in.
 
 
== The events of Evangelion happen in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. ==
 
It explains all of the mind screw stuff and where the angels come from. The Earth in Evangelion universe is a planet cut off from outside contact by a Warp storm eons ago (perhaps during the Age of Strife), yet unlike most other planets engulfed by the Warp, the Earth entered into the period of relative stability, until the Second Impact came along. And Adam and Lilith? They may be Greater Demons, the new Chaos Gods, or something unimaginably horrible from another galaxy...
Eons later, the Imperium finds the utterly devastated Earth emerging from the Warp storm. An inquisitor, looking at the planet, orders an Exterminatus. The end.
* Or, more Angels pop out from the Earth and eat the starships carrying out Exterminatus. Cue the Angels threatening to tear the Imperium apart on top of [[Cosmic Horror|horrifying gods fed from emotions]], [[Horde of Alien Locusts|all-consuming space bugs]], [[Robot War|implacable robots]], [[Our Orcs Are Different|bloodthirsty beasts]], [[Space Elves|manipulative psychic elves]], [[The Fair Folk|and a race of demented hedonists.]]
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== Seele is a group of [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] cranked [[Up to Eleven]] who just wants to "save" the humanity from all its flaws and suffering. ==
 
Well, Human Instrumentality Project is basically getting rid of AT field and merging all souls of humans into one so that one human's weakness is complemented by other's strengths. As a result, the humans as a whole become a god, no longer subject to loneliness and suffering and all those nasty stuffs. Humans have massive, fundamental issues, so we may need a drastic measure of apocalypse for such a drastic problem.
 
== Or, Human Instrumentality Project would only produce mindless drones/neurons/body parts subject to one [[Hive Queen]] or something similar. ==
 
AKA my first impression of Human Instrumentality Project. Either Keel is a [[Complete Monster]] out to enslave the souls of every human being, or Human Instrumentality Project is doomed to failure (either [[Gone Horribly Wrong]] or [[Gone Horribly Right]]) to begin with.
 
== The First Ancestral Race were the [[Halo|Prec]][http://www.halopedian.com/Precursor ursors]. ==
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== The world of Evangelion is part of the Dominion, from the [[Star Trek]] universe ==
 
What's golden-orange in colour, a liquid, and contains every member of a race essentially merged into one, when they revert from solid individual bodies into a formless unity? LCL? Or...[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|the Great Link]]? The characters in Evangelion are Founder Changelings who forgot, over a great expanse of time, how to shapeshift or link effectively. Hence they experienced crippling loneliness. The Rei clones are a product of the same technology that clones the Vorta, complete with the previous clone's memories. And when it comes to designing organic fighting machines, who better than the people who created the Jem'Hadar? What we have here is a lost colony of Founder Changelings cut off from the rest of the Dominion, who are having difficulty living as solid individuals and seek to recapture the lost Link. With the evas and Rei, they seek to incorporate their hazy recollections of the wider Dominion into this plan. Even their self-conscious use of "Child" as an official label for their young, socially-crippled heroes is a memory of their origins; it's connected to the idea of the Hundred; the young changelings sent out into the galaxy, thus to be the loneliest of changelings but upon whom the future supposedly depends.
 
 
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Gendo is still sane and so are Shinji and Asuka.
ritsuko and misato don't work (directly) with the NERV.
the effects of the second impact aren't adressed suggesting that it never happened, or at the least not with the same magnitude as with the NGE second impact.
 
Those differences led me to think that this continuity isn't some better restart like rebuild of evangelion, but an entirely different reality independent of the NGE continuity, although it shares many similitarities,so we can consider it like a lighter and softer "reboot" universe.
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== The events of shinji ikari raising project are the result of eva 01's crossing over to the past of an alternate timeline after the events of ''EoE'' ==
 
If the "rebooted" elements are true, the angels aren't related to humankind's origin and destiny,then, there wouldn't be a reason for the NERV to build the evangelions, or in general, for this earth to follow the steps of NGE earth.
in this case, the scenario below would solve some of these issues:
 
In EOE, Eva O1 was doomed to drift through space forever with Yui's soul trapped inside it. after millenias of errance between the stars, it fell in a space-time anomaly and got sent through space and time to the far past of an alternate timeline where it crashed in Antartica. that was this world version of the "first impact".there is no Adam nor lilith or any of the NGE earth's angels in this reality.
 
Her energy source depeleted, it went into sleep mode, and got buried under the ice sheet of Antartica. But The wake of her dimensional leap had left open a small dimensional rift.
 
Millenias later, the EVA had recharged itself with the help of its S2 engine and reawakened temporarily, triggering this earth version of the "second impact", but at a much smaller scale.it attracted the angels, which are in this reality higher-dimensional beings that lives in other levels of existence, to earth and came there via the rift.
 
The SEELE was puzzeled by the second impact and sent a team of scientists to investigate the phenomenon. They retrieved the EVA 01 at ground zero desactivated. They brought it back to the NERV HQ and stored it at Terminal Dogma, a high-security containement warehouse.
 
Afterwards, a young scientist named Yui ikari and her husband Gendo became the head scientists of the project evangelion. the goal of this project was to discover the nature and origin of the alien artifact(the EVA 01), and reverse-engeneer its technology for pratical uses.
 
Meanwhile, the angels began to appear on earth searching for the cause of the dimensional rift wrecking (non-maliciously) amok. The SEELE turned the situation to its advantage by using the angels' appearances as an excuse to turn the evangelion project from fundamental research to armement R&D, thus creating the first prototypes of fully functional real robot mechas.
 
They used it to fight the angels officially, but in fact they were testing the breakthrough technologies developped through their studies of EVA 01 since the ninities, and loot the corpses of the angels after the battles for analyse and autopsie, therefore amassing more and more of knowledge, which leads us to the conclusion that....
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== ''[[Solaris]]'' takes place in the far future of {{spoiler|Shinji Ikari Raisng Project Earth after the discovery of the far future alternate Earth of ''EoE''}} ==
 
After the defeat of the angels on Earth, the SEELE gained enough technology and data from EVA 01 and the angels to bring a new golden age to the world.
With the nigh-unlimited energy source given by the S2 Engine and the force field tech brought by the science of the AT Field, [[Man Kind]] conquered space and flourished between the stars in relativistic spaceships.In the same time, interdimensional travel has been perefected, enabling those high-tech spaceships to achieve FTL speed and travel through the multiverse.
 
Eventually, an interdimensional exploration ship stumbled on an earth-like world covered by a single sentient ocean and named it Solaris, unknown to them that this world is {{spoiler|EOE Earth}} from where came EVA O1, and that the ocean contain the collective consciousness of what was once called [[Man Kind]], thus closing the loop.
 
It also explain the hallucinations experienced by the characters of the novel and the movies adaptations as it was caused by the urge of the collective consciousness to bring more people into {{spoiler|instrumentality}}.
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The anime, especially EOE and Episode 23, was so nightmarish that those who saw it died from shock and heart attack, became catatonic, began to murder anything that moves, or were [[Driven to Suicide]]. To make matters worse, [[The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You|the Giant Naked Rei popped out from the movie screen and forcefully fused with the remaining living beings.]] Thus, in the universe of [[SpongeBob SquarePants]], all terrestrial life is extinct. However, the Giant Naked Rei soon gave birth in the Sea of LCL to the walking talking intelligent marine lives and told how she destroyed a dystopia and remade the world into the cheerful (but still dystopic) Bikini Bottom. However, the story now is largely forgotten, and Patrick Star is the only one who remembers the story, albeit in a heavily deformed way.
* [[Butt Monkey|Squidward is Shinji, duh.]]
* Sandy is actually the Giant Naked Rei disguised as a squirrel.
* Or, a handful of human beings hid deep under the sea and formed the Bikini Bottom.
 
== Care Bears are an someone's Instrumentality dream. ==
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Firstly, Angels are attacking during narrow period of time compare to humanity life. Secondly, Angels appears just in time, order and way it is useful for Gendo: (Sachiel appears when EVA is already finished, Matariel was too weak and can even appear during blackout, ridiculously strange appearing of Sandalophon in the volcano). Thirdly, sometimes Gendo even suspiciously absent before or/and while Angel appearing.
"How did he manage to get and keep them?"
He got them as frozen embryons (like Adam) while first Antarctic expedition.
"What about Kaworu? Gendo was clearly unaware of him at the beginning?"
The best and most powerful, 17th embryon Tabris was given to SEELE as ensurance of his loyalty to them.
Actually, SEELE were OK with that position until Ayanami use Longinius Spear on Arael.
Then they try to force situation and use their wild card.
 
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