Hey, do we have pages for both The Destroyer and The Preserver? I see we have a Messiah/The Maker page. Link: https://allthetropes.org/wiki/The_Maker
Talk:Cosmic Forces Trio
Since the last time I took a serious look at this candidate, it appears to have shaped up quite a bit. What do people think? Can we release this one to the wild now?
Since no one has said no, I'm launching.
This is our "consider killing it" threshold. If anyone wants to finish whipping it into shape for launching, do it now or it dies in a little bit.
So, what happens to those tropes that are killed?
The page gets deleted - it's that simple. If someone complains about it being deleted, we will of course restore the page, on the condition that the complainer takes responsibility for making the page ready for launch in the immediate future. (Strangely, we've never had anyone take us up on that although the offer has been made.)
So, how do I make the BoT presentable for launch? I barely started adding examples.
Well, two threads below this one is a discussion entitled "retcons" with some points @TBeholder thought needed addressing. There's also the issue of a better name, also brought up by TBeholder.
And I would probably take the three archetype names out of header markup (the "=" stuff) and set them up with bold and big tagging instead, just so that the table of contents moves under the examples template and lists only the media types. But that's one of my particular obsessions for page layout, not necessarily yours.
This may improve the situation.
It gots a potential, in that there clearly is traceable evidence of something derived from something else. But also a mess, in part due to referring to a larger and older mess.
I went to WM and salvaged the examples, which I figure needs more work. But they're all that I found.
I did rename and tweak the structure. Since it was not moving much anywhere, this avoids a Missing Supertrope and no one objected.
Are you able to see the Trope Workshop? It's still 500 for me.
No, but pages are still here.
Oh, cool, I hadn't realized. Thanks.
Ah, I didn't check. I thought the Workshop pages went into limbo. Thanks.
The fact that we were replying on a Workshop page's Talk page should have clued us in.
The source of likely headache here is that "Creation - Preservation/Change - Destruction" is the version canonized by The Hindu Reformation, that is XIX century - which is why the actual mythology is not "resulting", it's preceeding this concept, by millenia.
The most obvious of problems is that de facto it left most results of the pre-existing "Trimurti as personifications of Guna" approach all over the place, thus in older sources, folk art and adaptations thereof you run into lots of little things like references to "Shiva the Preserver" (Shiv and the Grasshopper by Rudyard Kipling), etc. It follows that in the purest form the new version is most likely to appear in the foreign sources that aren't based on the originals, but skimmed the cream in volume of two pages "for exotics" and built upon that - as the current list of examples illustrates.
Aside of the fact that both versions are, well, in use, with all this entails.
Since the Trio as such seems to be the thing, maybe call them "The Fates Trio"? There don't seem to be very contradictory versions of the Moirai/Parcae.
Feel free to make whatever changes you feel need making. When you do we can launch it.
The new name of "Cosmic Forces Trio" or "Fates Trio" sounds better, I can say or read it out loud without mispronouncing.
To think of it again, "Cosmic Forces Trio" is probably the best, in that usually it's preferable to have a definition too broad and split later if it grows, than to leave a Missing Supertrope - those tend to accrete a spinning disk of disclaimers, natter, misplaced examples and assorted minor mess.
Maybe just "Cosmic Forces Trio"?
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