Talk:Made on Drugs

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Opinions?

I noticed some of them just mention creators and drugs they did without any explicit allegations that part of a certain work was created while under the influence by the drug.

Good point. In that case, maybe this is less a trope than a random rumination.

The earliest copy had the Category:Trivia Trope tag at the bottom and it still has it now. It's supposed to go on the trivia page of a work, not in the examples section of a work's main page (unless it happens In-Universe).

Fair enough, but it needs to be cleaned up. The examples can't simply be on the order of "He stood near his medicine cabinet while writing X".

Should we permit a lower standard on a work's trivia page than we do on the Made on Drug's page?

Two months and I'm still not sure I know what that means, GM.

I was proposing holding a Made on Drug entry on a work's trivia page be held to a lower standard than what we'd allow on the Made on Drug page. At this point, I don't remember why I bothered to voice such a proposal. I'm assuming you weren't sure what I meant because you figured it out and then thought 'Nah, it couldn't be that. There's no way he'd suggest something that stupid.'

Nah, it's because I'm on heavy cold medicine right now (thus, ironically, an example of this trope <grin>) and after coming back to it two months later I couldn't think clearly enough to figure out if you were being sarcastic in some way that I wasn't quite getting. Your explanation is exactly what I needed. However, I think having a difference in acceptability based on whether the example is on the trope page or on a work's trivia page is just going to be confusing.

Oddly enough, coming back to this trope with Nyquil in my system somehow makes the whole thing clearer to me; I think I know what to do now to clean it up and make it launchable. When I get done catching up to Recent Changes I'll take a try at whipping it into shape.

Thanks.

Okay, I've done a rewrite of the trope. Let me know what you think.

No problem.

I think we should add something about the actual impact drugs may or may not have on the creation of a work and take an explicit indecisive stance about what demonstrable impact drugs actually had on a work or have on the creative process. I'd rather not be at fault for aspiring creators to try drugs as a way to boost creativity and subsequently falling into addiction as a result.

Also we could throw in the description that some creators did drugs but didn't create under the influence. Possibly the second paragraph. For example Ernest Hemingway wrote before lunch and had alcohol after lunch (and didn't write while drunk) http://problogservice.com/2014/09/19/what-write-drunk-edit-sober-means/

Also I'm thinking maybe we should expand the definition to include a creator drawing upon experiences that occurred under the influence of drugs (possibly only if the drug played a crucial role, like causing a hallucination), even if they didn't put pen to paper while under the influence.

Hm. Good points. Let me think on them and see what I come up with. Or you could drop a skeleton of what you think should be there into place, and let me or someone else flesh it out.

Okay, I added text along the lines of what you suggested, GM. I'm pretty much ready to launch this.

I'd just like it if we had an attribution for the page quote -- Google turns up nothing but this page for it.

I don't remember the rules for putting in links into the quote template, but here is a link to the quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP3sVWux4uI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m08s

I was thinking we should define "drug". "A drug, in the broadest term, is a chemical substance that, when ingested, has a high biological response to quantity ratio compared to regular foods". I was thinking, for the purposes of this trope, only psychoactive drugs count. For example, if someone is on advil, it doesn't count.

Maybe drugs that are more or less only stimulants (e.g. coffee) should not count.

My rewrite explicitly invokes "mind-altering substances" stronger than caffeine, which should leave out Advil (but probably not NyQuil <grin>).

I was thinking we should define "drug". "A drug, in the broadest term, is a chemical substance that, when ingested, has a high biological response to quantity ratio compared to regular foods". I was thinking, for the purposes of this trope, only psychoactive drugs count. For example, if someone is on advil, it doesn't count.