Topic on User talk:NoxiousSludge

While the Anime/Manga and Western Animation Complete Monster pages, plus all the subfolders in all the categories, seem to be just fine, I've decided to I'm going to compare the Fan Works, Films, Live Action TV, and Webcomics pages directly with TV Tropes', see what examples we might be missing, and add writeups for them. Is it possible that you could do the same for Comics, Literature, Video Games, and Web Original, since those seem to be areas you're familiar with?

(Also, do you think it's fair that I blocked Lady Satsuki/Honorshipper? I felt like her/their approach to this trope was getting greatly detrimental to it and she/they refused to listen to the regulations that I repeatedly laid out.)

I could definitely look through those sections you mentioned, comics in particular seems to be the easiest for now. However, I may be a bit slow to add some video game examples if they're from a work I intend to play in the future and don't want to be spoiled (For example, I'm not adding anyone from the recently released Fallout 4 until I play the game myself).

Oh boy, I really, really wanted to stay out of this whole debacle if I could. But it looks like I really have no choice in the matter, huh? Honestly, given that she (I'm not entirely convinced that they're different people and not one with several alts) kept screwing around and has a history with stirring shit and causing lots of trouble on other sites and the like, I suppose her ban is justified, especially due to her instance that just about every rapey character under the sun counts despite there being multiple factors that prevent said candidates from counting (Redeeming qualities, being played for laughs, being outclassed by other candidates).

(And as an aside, I don't know if I agree on Chester counting or not. I don't really have a horse in that race as I have no desire to watch the movie series that he's from, but refusing to do so means that I'm missing context to his actions and the like.)

Anything from Fallout 4 would go on the Fallout page rather than the Video Game one, right?

LOL, I can see why you'd feel like staying out of it. (I'm also suspicious of the whole "sisters" thing not being truthful). But yes, she's had many offenses now - asking about cutting examples that sufficiently align with the criteria for qualifying does nothing to progress the trope and only sets us back, it's one thing to propose an example and then add it once there's been a verdict or compromise on the matter but another to add a new example out of the blue and yet another to cut an example while putting up a new one in place of the one you cut, not letting go of Single Issue Wonks, and adding examples based upon personal opinion, feelings, and ethics (essentially Audience Reaction) rather than the actual criteria, with yes, the usual candidates being rape-y. I can understand standards against rape (everyone should have those) but man is she taking it to ridiculous extremes in the proposal of candidates guilty of so much as just threatening rape rather than doing it (Jan F**king Valentine, anyone?)

From the clips I've seen and info I've read up on, he seems like just a nasty cartoon villain who's extreme for his setting and work, but not sufficiently heinous or horrific enough to pass for this trope. That's another thing she's yet to learn - that not every super nasty Outright Villain is necessarily a CM. By proposing candidates like Chester, Lord Farquaad, Drake, Queen Victoria, Mrs. Tweedy, Zelda, Nurse Claiborne, Red Claw, Tony Zucco (Animated Series version), the Torturer from Berserk, Bishop Mozgus, Teru Mikami, Nnoitora, Jan Valentine, Ardos, Grumm, Mirloc, Zira, the Nome King, and freaking Governor Ratcliffe, she is risking setting the trope back to the days where any villain or character who crossed the MEH and was found even the slightest bit despicable by audience members could qualify, including Mr. Krabs, Eric Cartman, Peter Griffin, Chris Mclean, and Discord, which is the last thing (other than the opposite extreme that TV Tropes champions) that we want the trope to become on this wiki.

If I might recommend something concerning FO4 (and other works we don't have pages for): We need to have basic pages for them established with the bare minimum of what the work is about and the setting/circumstances so we can use that as a base for more properly evaluating CM status. Context would help keep the definition from being diluted as indicated above, and having details about the context on hand can only help.

I've actually thought about making pages for works that I like with no pages yet... but that's a lot of work. @_@ Still, I don't want to make excuses or anything.

I still don't know how new pages are made. :(

Creating new pages is easy. There are several ways to do it.

Probably the quickest and easiest is to click an existing redlink -- like, say, your handle in your signature. (If you need a redlink to click, you can just code a link in a page you want to connect to your new page -- I'm pretty sure you know how to do that by now.) Anyway, clicking a redlink will immediately open an editing window where you can create the new page. At the top of that window is a dropdown where you can select from a couple dozen page types to insert a "skeleton" of an empty page (called a "boilerplate") of the appropriate type into the edit window. Then all you need to do is add the text.

Another way is to just go up into the address bar of your browser and type the URL for a non-existent page, like

https://allthetropes.miraheze.org/wiki/Nonexistent Page for Example

(Protip: You don't need to put underscores between the words -- but you'd better make sure things are capitalized and punctuated the way you want them.)

Hit enter, and the wiki will present you with a page that says, basically, "there's nothing here -- do you want to do a search or edit this page?" Chose "edit this page" and you're at the editing window I mentioned above.

The last way is to search for the page you want to create. You'll get a page of results which leads off with a note that reads "Create the page "Nonexistent Page for Example" on this wiki!", with the pagename redlinked. Click the redlink and once again you're at that handy-dandy edit page with the boilerplate dropdown.

Note that if you want to create a trope, you need to create the page in the Trope Workshop -- but right now the automated stuff for the Workshop isn't working.

Works pages, and subpages for existing works, creators, tropes and other stuff, are free -- you can just make them without having to get a consensus first.

Hope that helps!

Alright then. I noticed that some works on CM pages were a bit overdosed and deserved their own folders, so I'll be creating those pages now.

Good idea, Doc. In fact, I heavily encourage that practice. :)

Now I need to ask...how do I add Categories to the pages?

See https://allthetropes.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Categories

And please go back over the pages you created and add the Complete Monster category to them.

Why do you think I was asking? :P

I'm also wondering if The Godfather warrants it's own page, especially since only the first example is fully detailed and valid, the second is arguable, and the third is pretty bad. Should I delete that one? (I'm thinking of lastly adding pages for Highlander, The X-Files, and "Other" like TV Tropes has.)