Topic on All The Tropes talk:How We Do Bans Around Here

I haven't seen anyone else comment on this yet...

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

...so I'll start. Overall this looks good. I've read through it several times over the past few days, and no real changes come to mind. I'd be comfortable with making this a live page as-is.

Derivative (talkcontribs)

Strong language per content pages should maybe considered not an immediate tempban

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Good point. I've split "what is grounds for..." into two subsections: immediate tempban and tempban only after a warning. Did I put things in the right subsections?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Just added a reason for an immediate tempban that we've had in place for years now. As for when we shift from temp to perm, well, we had someone on a 4 month tempban which expired in November. IIRC, we promised a permban after that, so we a have a precedent to follow: if we reach a point where we're going tempban someone for over 4 months, we might as well permban.

One thing maybe we should also have is a schedule of tempbans -- do different offenses merit different initial ban lengths? And should we have a predefined series of durations -- one day, 2 days, 3 days, 1 week and so on?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks, LT.

As for the schedule: It seems to me that a one-day or shorter tempban doesn't do much, especially if the offender doesn't try to login for a day - a two-day tempban is the shortest that I'd give if I was making the list without input. Beyond that, I'm lazy and wouldn't be averse to using as a list the predefined options that MediaWiki gives us.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It occurs to me that we should probably lay out explicitly the bans for spam somewhere, too. Our current procedures are permanent ban for a registered account which spams, and a six-month or one-year tempban on an anonymous IP. (I've used both one-year and permanent bans on IPs that have any results at all on StopForumSpam.com's IP Check, which generally means they're IPs owned by spammers.)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

More changes made to the draft. Input is requested from @Labster, @GethN7, @Looney Toons, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative,@SelfCloak, and any other interested party before I start turning this into a proper article/guideline/policy page.

If we decide that this is going to be a policy instead of a guideline, then all current Tropers should have a chance to comment.

SelfCloak (talkcontribs)

I checked the draft, it all looks good to me.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I think it's safe to turn this into a proper guideline page.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Agreed, although we should clean up some of the chattier or uncertain parts first.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Okay, the text has been polished.

I think this is now almost launchable. The sole flaw that I see: It needs a better name.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Assuming an "All The Tropes:" namespace before them:

"Tempban and Permanent Ban Policy"

"Bans: Rules and Guidelines for Qualifying and Applying"

"User Bans - How to Earn and How to Avoid"

"How We Do Bans Around Here"

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I like the last one - succinct and clear.