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* [[Ass Pull]]: Pyro introduced as one of the good guys and made into a villain in Ultimatum
* [[Ass Pull]]: Pyro introduced as one of the good guys and made into a villain in Ultimatum
* [[Complete Monster]]: Magneto, in a marked change from his usual [[Noble Demon]] status. Sometimes he makes ''[[Grant Morrison]]'s Magneto'' look shy. For a start, though [[Retcon]] gave him his more familiar background, originally Ultimate Magneto came from a wealthy American family and was never on the receiving end of a genocide or any sort of prejudice, meaning initially he didn't even a [[Freudian Excuse]] for his actions and was even ''more'' of an arrogant dick <ref> the [[Retcon]] is that he was adopted, and did live through a genocide, though probably a more modern one than the Holocaust (that, or he is a liar)</ref>. No [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] [[Anti Villain]] as the mainstream one is, ''this'' Magneto is an [[Abusive Parents|abusive parent]] who once broke his own son's ''legs'' for challenging him; is a true [[Master Race|mutant supremacist]] who believes that mutants should replace humanity rather than merely be protected from them (in fact, he's even implied to have been [[I'm a Humanitarian|eating humans at different points]]); and has, on several occasions, attempted to [[Kill All Humans|eradicate the human race]] and [[Take Over the World|rule over a post-apocalyptic mutant utopia]] in the aftermath as an extension of this creed. He is savagely ruthless to his enemies and, here, is the one who crippled Charles Xavier, because the latter had started to realize [[You're Insane|he was insane]]. He rules the Brotherhood of Mutants like a cult and encourages them to murder as many humans as possible, [[Would Hurt a Child|children included]], and has organized several terrorist attacks with high body counts. Death is too good for this prick.
* [[Complete Monster]]: Magneto, in a marked change from his usual [[Noble Demon]] status. Sometimes he makes ''[[Grant Morrison]]'s Magneto'' look shy. For a start, though [[Retcon]] gave him his more familiar background, originally Ultimate Magneto came from a wealthy American family and was never on the receiving end of a genocide or any sort of prejudice, meaning initially he didn't even a [[Freudian Excuse]] for his actions and was even ''more'' of an arrogant dick <ref> the [[Retcon]] is that he was adopted, and did live through a genocide, though probably a more modern one than the Holocaust (that, or he is a liar)</ref>. No [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] [[Anti-Villain]] as the mainstream one is, ''this'' Magneto is an [[Abusive Parents|abusive parent]] who once broke his own son's ''legs'' for challenging him; is a true [[Master Race|mutant supremacist]] who believes that mutants should replace humanity rather than merely be protected from them (in fact, he's even implied to have been [[I'm a Humanitarian|eating humans at different points]]); and has, on several occasions, attempted to [[Kill All Humans|eradicate the human race]] and [[Take Over the World|rule over a post-apocalyptic mutant utopia]] in the aftermath as an extension of this creed. He is savagely ruthless to his enemies and, here, is the one who crippled Charles Xavier, because the latter had started to realize [[You're Insane!|he was insane]]. He rules the Brotherhood of Mutants like a cult and encourages them to murder as many humans as possible, [[Would Hurt a Child|children included]], and has organized several terrorist attacks with high body counts. Death is too good for this prick.
** Colonel John Wraith, head of Weapon X, was set up as a brutal, remorselessly sadistic bastard who tortured all the mutants in his "care" for shits and giggles, particularly Wolverine, Rogue, and Nightcrawler (At one point he tells Rogue that whether he breaks her arms and legs again depends on how ''bored'' he is). He eventually ended up [[Karmic Death|being shot by Nick Fury.]] And then at the end of the series [[Unexplained Recovery|they brought him back]] as Ultimate Vindicator to [[The Atoner|redeem himself]], which completely flew in the face of his previous characterisation.
** Colonel John Wraith, head of Weapon X, was set up as a brutal, remorselessly sadistic bastard who tortured all the mutants in his "care" for shits and giggles, particularly Wolverine, Rogue, and Nightcrawler (At one point he tells Rogue that whether he breaks her arms and legs again depends on how ''bored'' he is). He eventually ended up [[Karmic Death|being shot by Nick Fury.]] And then at the end of the series [[Unexplained Recovery|they brought him back]] as Ultimate Vindicator to [[The Atoner|redeem himself]], which completely flew in the face of his previous characterisation.
** Ultimate Deadpool and Ultimate Mojo run a television show where they hunt down mutants for sport and whose plan includes trying to murder the X-Men while forcing Xavier to watch and then lobotomize him on live tv. Mojo was [[Mind Raped]] by Xavier and killed, while Deadpool appears to have survived Shadowcat destroying his body.
** Ultimate Deadpool and Ultimate Mojo run a television show where they hunt down mutants for sport and whose plan includes trying to murder the X-Men while forcing Xavier to watch and then lobotomize him on live tv. Mojo was [[Mind Raped]] by Xavier and killed, while Deadpool appears to have survived Shadowcat destroying his body.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Pyro had very little screen time, only a few lines and didn't do much, but the fandom loved him.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Pyro had very little screen time, only a few lines and didn't do much, but the fandom loved him.
* [[Ham and Cheese]]: The adventure scenarios Nightcrawler and Colossus play in the Danger Room, everything from [[Pirates of the Caribbean]] to [[Lord of the Rings]].
* [[Ham and Cheese]]: The adventure scenarios Nightcrawler and Colossus play in the Danger Room, everything from [[Pirates of the Caribbean]] to [[The Lord of the Rings]].
* [[I Am Not Shazam]]: Dazzler was originally the name of Allison's band, which she insisted on reminding people, but eventually became her codename.
* [[I Am Not Shazam]]: Dazzler was originally the name of Allison's band, which she insisted on reminding people, but eventually became her codename.
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]:
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]:

Latest revision as of 00:28, 28 September 2022


  • Ass Pull: Pyro introduced as one of the good guys and made into a villain in Ultimatum
  • Complete Monster: Magneto, in a marked change from his usual Noble Demon status. Sometimes he makes Grant Morrison's Magneto look shy. For a start, though Retcon gave him his more familiar background, originally Ultimate Magneto came from a wealthy American family and was never on the receiving end of a genocide or any sort of prejudice, meaning initially he didn't even a Freudian Excuse for his actions and was even more of an arrogant dick [1]. No Well-Intentioned Extremist Anti-Villain as the mainstream one is, this Magneto is an abusive parent who once broke his own son's legs for challenging him; is a true mutant supremacist who believes that mutants should replace humanity rather than merely be protected from them (in fact, he's even implied to have been eating humans at different points); and has, on several occasions, attempted to eradicate the human race and rule over a post-apocalyptic mutant utopia in the aftermath as an extension of this creed. He is savagely ruthless to his enemies and, here, is the one who crippled Charles Xavier, because the latter had started to realize he was insane. He rules the Brotherhood of Mutants like a cult and encourages them to murder as many humans as possible, children included, and has organized several terrorist attacks with high body counts. Death is too good for this prick.
    • Colonel John Wraith, head of Weapon X, was set up as a brutal, remorselessly sadistic bastard who tortured all the mutants in his "care" for shits and giggles, particularly Wolverine, Rogue, and Nightcrawler (At one point he tells Rogue that whether he breaks her arms and legs again depends on how bored he is). He eventually ended up being shot by Nick Fury. And then at the end of the series they brought him back as Ultimate Vindicator to redeem himself, which completely flew in the face of his previous characterisation.
    • Ultimate Deadpool and Ultimate Mojo run a television show where they hunt down mutants for sport and whose plan includes trying to murder the X-Men while forcing Xavier to watch and then lobotomize him on live tv. Mojo was Mind Raped by Xavier and killed, while Deadpool appears to have survived Shadowcat destroying his body.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Pyro had very little screen time, only a few lines and didn't do much, but the fandom loved him.
  • Ham and Cheese: The adventure scenarios Nightcrawler and Colossus play in the Danger Room, everything from Pirates of the Caribbean to The Lord of the Rings.
  • I Am Not Shazam: Dazzler was originally the name of Allison's band, which she insisted on reminding people, but eventually became her codename.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • How about everything Magneto does, to unflinchingly attempting genocide of the human race, to kneecapping his own son? And the Weapon X crew, particularly Wraith? Wraith and Magneto don't cross the Moral Event Horizon, they are living, breathing Moral Event Horizons.
    • YMMV on this, but Mr. Sinister pushing Professor Xavier down a flight of stairs. That's just cruel, not to mention extremely petty.
    • For some, Wolverine crossed this when he stabbed Cyclops and left him to bleed to death, purely to get him out of the way so he could pop Jean's cherry. That bites him bad in the ass when Cyclops turns out to be Not Quite Dead...
  1. the Retcon is that he was adopted, and did live through a genocide, though probably a more modern one than the Holocaust (that, or he is a liar)