I see "Brutal Honesty" listed on the tropes list, and I'm puzzled. I'll grant the brutal part, but doesn't the honesty part require honesty, which the continuing-the-Birther-thing-four-years-after-being-disproven discussion indicates is missing here?
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Trump's claims during his campaign (for example, saying Mexico sends immigrants who are criminals and rapists) are obviously not fact, but politically-fueled opinion made to appeal to his voter base. So the use of that trope is incorrect.
On the other hand, while quite a few politicians have /thought/ that the news media was incredibly sloppy and often biased, President Trump is the first one in a long time to actually say that out loud on the podium, let alone continue doing so regularly in the face of all the objections. So he is indeed brutally honest on certain topics.
Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. There are plenty of independent fact-checking organizations out there - including the one at archive.org - that indicate the mainstream media are neither sloppy nor biased, no matter how many times Trump says otherwise. His continuing to say so is, IMHO, another sign that he is not being honest with the voters in his country.
Also, "disagreement" is not a synonym for "dishonesty".
Yes, yes, we all have seen gamergate.
Did you read the paragraph from the first word or just got "something that sounds good and Trump are mentioned together" reflex triggered? It seems to be a reading comprehension problem. That's not uncommon.
No reflex - my question was whether the trope as it is defined here applied to the subject matter.
"Since everybody in TV land spends all day desperately lying their way out of situations, one of the more reliable gags is to create a situation where you'd imagine the characters would lie, and have them be perfectly honest and straightforward instead."
If somebody's going to say that it should be listed, then the onus is on that person to show where the person in question made the particular honest statement. If the topic matter wasn't so contentious, I would have hung a "context" tag on the trope and asked for an example.
Since a candidate is expected to talk like yet another politician slimeball, and he didn't , well... ref #1, for one.
Quoting myself, "the onus is on that person to show where the person in question made the particular honest statement." I'm only asking for one example.
(Honestly, I don't get this kind of flack when I make this kind of request on a Work page...)
We allow different views than our own, he both has told the truth and lied, as does any politician. I think rather than delete, we should also add the lying part in a different trope, this means we don't become too biased either way and are balanced in our approach.
I concur with LulzKiller on this. Add both, leave any editorializing out, and leave it at that.
If people can't act like adults about objective facts, I will personally lock the page until anyone who has a problem with being civil can calm down.