Topic on User talk:Itasio

... to Rance/Characters but if it weren't so obvious you were in the process of restructuring it you would have been banned for blanking a page.

I have restored all the content you deleted inside a comment for future reference, because I noted that it had great deal of trope entries that your replacement didn't, and I would strongly recommend that unless you can prove them false or otherwise inaccurate you transplant them to your existing page, and any other pages you create. I also recommend that you carry over the image markups unless you plan to upload and insert all your own images (in which case I recommend you read All The Tropes:Uploading and Adding an Image to a Page before you even start).

Next: All The Tropes runs on MediaWiki, which means that unlike TV Tropes, we actually have a real tree structure for subpages. We do not plop subpages into the main namespace like a badly-hawked spitball. They descend from their parent page just like subdirectories under a main directory in any modern computer system. Thus, the page you created in the main space, "Rance Series - Rance and Sill‎", is both misplaced and misnamed. I have moved it to where it actually belongs, which is "Rance/Characters/Rance and Sill", and we expect that any future character pages will also be located under "Rance/Characters". To help you in this matter, I have already edited your version of "Rance/Characters" to point all its redlinks at the proper locations instead of the top level of the main namespace. You should also look into using the "Create New" button on every page for creating new subpages, and the ATT Page Creator for creating new "top level" pages (other than new tropes -- they go into the Trope Workshop). Both automate much of the process to make it easier.

Thirdly: When creating subpages, use the proper page markup, located in the proper places. Your "Rance and Sill" page was missing everything it needed to actually integrate properly into its place in the wiki. This one is vitally important.

I'm afraid this will have to be an official mod warning: If you persist in creating misplaced pages missing the necessary markup, you will be subject to tempbans for as long as it takes you to learn to do things correctly, or we give up on you. Please don't make us do that, as we're delighted to welcome folks from TVT bringing their work with them.

To help you get used to how we do things, I suggest you look at the following (suprisingly short) pages:

• All The Tropes:So You're a TV Tropes Refugee
• All The Tropes:Style Guide
• All The Tropes:Trope Workshop Guidelines
• All The Tropes:Uploading and Adding an Image to a Page
• All The Tropes:Copyrights
• All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here (This is not to be construed as some manner of threat. Unlike TVT, we have guidelines for the admins and mods about what constitutes a bannable offense, and for how long to make bans; this page exists so users are fairly informed ahead of time instead of being sideswiped by Fighteer a bitchy mod who decides he doesn't like your tone and permabans you.)

All these and other useful articles can be found linked off of our Administrivia page.

Since I did give a formal warning above, I have to request that you reply and acknowledge the warning within two days -- call it noon Eastern Daylight Time on 18 April 2020. If you do not, you will be subject to a non-punitive "attention-getter" tempban until you do reply.

Thank you, and welcome again to All The Tropes.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @Itasio

Hello Looney Toons,

I just discovered All the Tropes, so I didn't know much about the rules. Sorry if I gave the impression of misusing ATT or restructuring the pages.

I intended to use both my old work on TVTropes and the existing page on ATT, but I only used the very first entry (Rance and Sill) as a template for my own text to see how ATT works. I kept the former character page in a text file too as a reference when working on the page, but I didn't have time to work with it.

All of the red links you can see on the main character page are placeholders for my other pages (also from TVTropes), and I'd like to know how to properly create these pages using my old work, since they didn't exist beforehand. I tried to use the visual editor, so I'm not familiar with the page markup and former trope names, as TVTropes could have changed some tropes' names over time.

I'd like to rework the main series page too, ever since the series were officially released in English, giving changes to many character names and concepts.

Thank you for your quick answer.

Thanks for getting back to us. Since you have, no tempban will be forthcoming, let me reassure you!

Might I suggest that while you restructure things, including the main Rance page, you do it all offline and only replace the pages when everything is ready? Deleting a large amount of content only to replace it with an incomplete skeleton of changes to come deprives the wiki's users of that content in the mean time. For that reason alone I'm still tempted to restore the content you deleted -- if someone wanted to see any of it for any reason, it's now not there and won't be there until you finish up.

One way to get familiar with the markup and pathing and whatnot is to work in Source Editing, not to mention looking at the source for pages that look like what you want to do. You should probably stay away from visual editing unless you're doing relatively simple things, or until you're really comfortable with the wiki's underlying code. And creating a multi-level, multi-branching Characters section for a show is not a simple thing.

As far as finding trope names, there's not much we can do to help you there. If TVT changed the trope name, we wouldn't know that, and wouldn't have a way to connect the new name to what we use. On the other hand, we've renamed some tropes, but we've kept the old names as redirects so you can still search on them to find the new names. (In any case, it's always good to click through search results to make sure you get to the real page and not a redirect.)

And as for getting used to how ATT works, might I suggest you use your Sandbox? There's a link to it at the very top of every page, and you can do whatever you want there -- including create new pages for later transfer to the main namespace -- without affecting "live" content.

Anyway, if you have any questions at all, feel free to ask me or any of the other admins on our talk pages, or in the forums. And poke around on Administrivia for more info and help on how we do things.

-- Looney Toons