Talk:Image Source

I just realized, what do we do about videos. Like Five Stages of Grief?

Also Make the Bear Angry Again

In the case of embedded videos on pages like those and many others, we are not hosting the video. YouTube (usually) is, and we are providing access to the video by way of their established functionality. As such, rights issues devolve upon them, and we do not have a separate license. I point you to this page, which helpfully extracts the relevant parts of the YouTube legal, but here's the key passage that every person and entity which posts video to YouTube agrees to:

You also hereby grant each user of the Service a non-exclusive license to access your Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such Content as permitted through the functionality of the Service and under these Terms of Service.

Anything which we can embed we have already been given permission to use in advance. So to answer your question specifically, we don't need to do anything.

I wasn't thinking in terms of legal stuff. I was referring to the role I thought Image Source was supposed to do. Here is a self-centered version:

I remember a image from a work being on a trope page. I don't remember the page. I go to image source, look up tropes that have use an image from that work, and then I know it is one of those tropes.

With our system, I can instead look at that work's category, find the image, and then see what page(s) use that image.

I don't think embedded videos can have those categories, which means I'd have a hard time finding the trope, even if I remember which video it is using as 'the page image'.

Ah, I see now. It's not as much as a problem as you might think, because like I said above embedded videos are not stored as part of the wiki data the way (most) images are, but are simply markup in the page. That means if we have another disaster like the Orain hacker, we won't actually lose the videos and have to find them again, because we never had them in the first place. If for some reason we want the video's actual location, it's a simple enough thing, at least for YouTube videos, to recreate the actual source URL from the markup.

However, documenting just what a video is if it's not explicitly described in the article text, so a replacement can be found if it's taken down -- something I will note has happened to some of the videos we've embedded in the past -- that's a really good idea. I suspect that short of making some kind of complex extension to automate the process of embedding a video, the best thing to do is just put the relevant information in an HTML comment above or below the embed code.

I would still like to log what the work is from on Image Source though. Maybe if all I remember about the video is that it is from Robot Chicken, but I don't remember anything else, e.g. (involves a giraffe in quicksand), I'd still be able to find the Five Stages of Grief page.

Really?

I occasionally use the TvTropes one because sometimes it helps me, but ours is so barren and there is still such a large overlap between ours and TvTrope's content I usually use their's. So I think it is a page worth having in principle, but in practice it needs more information. I did ask a while ago for someone to get a bot to do most of it, but that didn't go anywhere.

What are you using it to do? Is there any way we could replace that with the image pages, like tagging them with the appropriate work's category?

I don't remember. It's been a while. I assume it's if I remember what work an image is from but don't remember the trope, then I could find the page or the image. Looking at "What links here" would also probably work, but it takes much longer.

Tagging pictures probably works because they have "File:" in them and link to the pages they are used in. But that doesn't cover pictures in an image links page.

Which some of us are doing already.

Since nobody else has made a decision, I have.

I've added a list of what needs to be done to the list page. For each image:

• tag the image with its trope
• tag the image with its source
• since these are all copyrighted works, add the "Fairuse" license to each image that doesn't have it
• take the image off this list.

Once the list is empty, we can delete the page.

Okay, the list is empty, and has been for a few weeks now. But I see the page has a use as a home to discuss all matters related to linking to images and videos, so I'll leave it in place as a request to help clean up the images that don't have categories or licenses.

Should we change the formatting so it is:

Medium

Work

• Trope Name