Topic on User talk:Nerdanel

Nerdanel: I reverted your change to All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness because that page is a policy statement for the wiki. You make a good point -- one that should be discussed first before it gets implemented. You should not go editing policy pages to match your opinion, though, no matter how correct or well-intentioned you may be.

I will start a discussion thread in the forums about the point you raise, and you know, we may just end up agreeing with you and making the exact same change. Please come to that thread and make your case. For the moment, though, the original text stands.

Thanks.

I thought the change was uncontroversial and already discussed, as the old policy page was a leftover from the TV Tropes era and directly contradicted the censorship policy outlined in All the Tropes: So You're a TV Tropes Refugee. It explicitly says that all the lolicon works and such are allowed to be mentioned on this wiki.

That's true. However, this isn't a site for gushing about what turns you on either (you can do that at the Fetish Fuel site on Wikia).

Also, while I sympathize with you and most likely would have done the same thing myself, this site is reliant on community consensus for policy. Unlike TV Tropes, we prefer to hear from the community before making major policy changes, so I advise you make your case in the thread my fellow administrator set up on the forum, and we'll make the change official if there is consensus.

In this case, you already have my vote, and I'm sure no one else will object, but we'd rather everyone get a chance to have their two cents on any policy shift before we change things.

P.S. - I've made a point of finding and restoring those works deleted by TV Tropes where possible because I agree they deleted things arbitrarily. However, we still have a lot of policy pages to iron out since we've only been up a few months, so you have a chance now to make sure our policy is consistent across the wiki.

I'd like to cast a vote of "half-yea, half-nay". We should definitely evaluate on a case-by-case basis, instead of implementing a blanket ban like TV Tropes did. But we shouldn't be too lenient on the matter, either. At the very least, we must make sure that if a non-live-action work argues in favor of pedophilia, that we allow negative troper reactions in the main page, and forbid links to and images of said work. If it is live-action, we probably shouldn't have an article on it at all.

For the record, my anti-censorship stance extends to allowing negative comments on every main page.

> Unlike TV Tropes, we prefer to hear from the community before making major policy changes, so I advise you make your case in the thread my fellow administrator set up on the forum, and we'll make the change official if there is consensus.

Just as a point of order, I'd like to point out that I'm not opposed to the change myself -- just that it needs to be made by consensus and not unilaterally, and that if we choose to leave something else in its place that we need to word it properly.

I saw the edit, then more or less decided not to revert it because it seemed pretty good. I was of the opinion that policy pages were open to editing for a reason -- so that people could contribute what they thought was best. It's not like we have a large enough userbase where vandalism there is a problem yet.

So I guess this me lodging a complaint about your administrative action, and about GethN7's too. I'm clearly already outvoted, but I think there's a difference between procedure for form's sake, and procedure that actually needs community consensus.

As Nerdaniel said, this was already more or less policy on our other pages. And I would like to not have to write all of the remaining policy pages myself. This is bad precedent.

Yeah, I'm going to have to fall on my sword on this one. I saw the edit too and didn't think it was all that bad myself, though I do think it should have been discussed with an admin first since it is a policy page, though in fairness I can't disagree with the edit itself.

Sorry Nerdanel, my bad on this one. ~.~

Mea culpa, then. I'll revert my changes if someone hasn't already beaten me to it.