Topic on User talk:Horrorshow

Because it's obvious you either didn't read the admin note below, or because you didn't care to follow the advice in it. You recreated a page called "Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku (Web Novel)", which was edited and moved to Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku to bring it into line with our style and markup guidelines. The recreated page has been deleted. Please make all your future changes to the original page in its new location. If you persist in recreating the page without the necessary markup and with the unnecessary media tag, we'll lock that page and you will receive additional and longer tempbans in the hope of getting your attention. However, we do have limited patience, and ignoring us too many times will result in a permanent ban.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

No I did read and, as far as I can tell, obey your incredibly condescending admin note. Thank you for the linked policies that were included. May I suggest you review them yourself?

To quote the All The Tropes:Works Page Guidelines:

"Don't try to cram different versions of a work into a single page, especially if they vary wildly from one another. Create one page for the book, one for the movie, and one for the radioplay, and distinguish them by adding the media type to each page name: "My New Work (novel)", "My New Work (film)", and "My New Work (radio)", for example."

They're supposed to be created preemptively, instead of leaving a mess for admins to clean up later as you're insisting. Also means there's no actual reason to expect the person doing it to work on the others beyond creating the stub. Since there's no reason to expect me to know much of anything about them. The hundred years of Nick Carter franchises sharing a name with a musician seems like an obvious example.

The Web Novel does in fact vary wildly from the other three. Which means by policy it is supposed to get its own page, and the media tag is mandatory. And explains why I've read the Web Novel 8 times, but haven't made it very far into either the LN or Manga. Which means I really can't edit that other page very well.

The LN/Manga/ANime are all very similar, and handled on a single page on the other tropes sites from what I can tell. They even share the same wikia. It seems unlikely there will actually wind up being three separate pages for them here, and I don't have the faintest idea what parentheses one would use for three separate mediums. So following the wikipedia convention, again policy says we do, and putting links between the two seems like it would solve the disambiguation issue. Which I believe I did.

Or you could turn the page you created into a disambiguation page which is normally the preferred method, but seems like it would cause more harm in this case.

The article you deleted was over 4k characters, had a header, and was in a few categories. It also previewed correctly and showed up normally on search. I saved crosslinking from the tropes until I was on an actual desktop tonight, but that's the only actual issue I'm aware of.

Is there a specific error that warrants this, or did you just see that it existed and do all this without looking as your post would indicate?

Now, I am sorry about the first post I did. There were some issues with the site login and connection while I was trying to start the article.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

@Horrorshow: Because you seem to have a lapse of common sense, I'll spell it for you:

While not specified in the rules (and in retrospective it should be), the unspoken politics is that whenever there is an single version of the work, or a particular version is the better known version (like this case seems to be), or if the different adaptations are either extremely loyal versions of the original work or close enough that having different pages repeating the same tropes for each adaptation can be redundant, there should be a single article without extra parenthesis, if only to serve as a main hub of the franchise. For what I see, you have repeatedly recreated the same page while adding a parenthesis that doesn't actually require. I can get why are you doing it, if you came from TV Tropes and their heavyset namespaces politics, but unless you are creating pages not only for the light novel but also one for each adaptation that parenthetical tacking isn't actually necessary.

C.C. @Looney Toons @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

As the admin most involved in the wording of documentation here, I apologize for the unclear documentation in this case.

We need to make the documentation clear that the type-of-media suffix should only be applied when there is more than one page with the same name, and that the suffix "(trope)" should never be used. I will do that later today.

@Horrorshow, you did re-create a page that had just been moved (not deleted), putting duplicate information onto the wiki, so I can see why Looney Toons would be upset. We're trying to get rid of duplicates. I'm not lifting your block immediately, but I've shortened it - it might have expired by the time you read this.

c.c. @Labster @GethN7 @Looney Toons @QuestionableSanity @DocColress @LulzKiller @SelfCloak