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You deleted Mind Game/YMMV, claiming that it had zero content. It did not have zero content, so I restored it. You deleted it again.

Just because we don't collect examples of Fetish Fuel or Complete Monster on those trope pages does not mean we do not collect examples of those tropes at all.

DO NOT ACT UNILATERALLY. Discuss issues with the other moderators before taking action in cases where there is a difference of opinion.

Edit-warring counts as being disruptive. I acknowledge that "Being disruptive on a one-off basis" is not grounds for a ban, according to All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here.

I am restoring the page again. Do not delete it again without consensus.

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

I responded to you on the forums. I was on the understanding with Geth that I was allowed to delete all examples of Fetish Fuel, for the reasons why Fetish Fuel was banned in the first place. I'm not understanding the difference between banning examples on FF but then allowing FF examples on work pages, that still allows people to violate All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness.

Complete Monster I was on the understanding that we banned examples and told people to go to Doc's fork in order to collect examples of those tropes. However I understand I didn't pass that through Geth, so I'm more understanding of a disagreement arising there.

@Gethn7 does not unilaterally set policy on All The Tropes.

He has in the past temporarily stepped down from moderation because of poor judgment.

Get consensus from all of the moderators, not just one.

While he has indeed had period on not being in moderation, he is still a bureaucrat (which means the current other bureaucrats are of the opinion he is of sound judgement, otherwise you would have removed him so he isn't currently one), and I as a normal administrator, can contact a Bureaucrat and double check that being doing something is not out of line and that I can proceed. Now, getting the opinion of multiple bureaucrats is even better, but I think there is an assumption of bad faith on mine and/or Geth's part; when I was just acting in good faith as a administrator in doing cleanup tasks, if there was a change in policy in FF in my absence, that's fine; but me checking with Geth was to make sure that that hadn't happened.

As far as I was aware, Fetish Fuel was a kill on sight or at least rewrite it not to be depraved if at all possible since we decided not to host examples for it. On those grounds, I believed I was giving sound advice. Unless someone changed our rule on hosting that, then I stand corrected.

I had understood that the same rule that applied to Complete Monster also applied to Fetish Fuel.

If it does not, please explain the inconsistency.

I have to support Rob here. While we removed all the examples from Complete Monster, to my recollection there was never any requirement that we hunt examples on individual work pages down and purge them. Similarly, we have references to individual Troper Tales still scattered about even though we have no Troper Tales section. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no mandate that we hunt down and kill examples from these, Fetish Fuel or any other topic for which we no longer allow examples on its page or in its section.

Fair, but consider those topics were purged because they were a breeding ground for all sorts of messed up depravity, hence the purging, and I would say, if we cannot rewrite it not come off like one-handed editing, then purging all examples is preferred.

I rather fall on the side of consistency: If we removed all examples of something a long time ago for being problem magnets, any remnants should be cleaned or at least rewritten to not come off depraved if the material can be saved.

Preferred by whom?

I remind you of the wiki policy All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness, and submit that you are ignoring the "No Prudishness" part of that policy:

Don't gut pages or nominate them for deletion just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.

Plus these relics are exactly that -- relics left over from pre-fork content. We have no one trying to revive or recreate these sections, encouraged by the existence of these examples or not. Purging them now because someone in the future might add new examples of the same kind -- examples which we can intercept and prevent the actual inclusion of with the moderation system, I might add -- is exactly the kind of wholesale destruction of centent we left TVT over.

Now that is an argument that makes sense. Fair point, I see the logic.

I should clarify the few I did edit of FF, I did try to rewrite, or re-link to the alts linked in the FF trope page. I only removed those I thought couldn't be edited better.