User talk:QuestionableSanity

Hi there,

It looks like you're trying to run a bot job manually. Would you:

• Like to ask for help?
• Like to read documentation on bots?

Some pages actually need to have the Useful Notes header removed instead of {{trope}}, {{work}}, or {{creator}}, and require a human eye to judge. I'll focus on editing out the Useful Notes headers where they're not needed, then have a bot do all the rest.

So the problem with editing the high traffic templates is that they basically fill the work queue when they're changed. So I try to not do it very often. If Orain becomes slow, congrats: it's your fault :D

Consider making test templates to see how they work first, like I do with {{work test}}.

Alright, I won't edit any more templates for the time being. I'll just finish up what I started, determining whether things really fit in Useful Notes or some other category, for the sake of completion.

I made the change because Useful Notes are (ideally) not tropes, works, or creators, but real life subjects. Genres, too, ride such a fine line between works and tropes that it's really much simpler in the long run to give them their own category.

I was considering adding templates for series and franchises, but those are just works, so they don't need them.

Useful Notes is fine... it's just the other ones that are included on every other page of the wiki, you know?

You mean, removing all the {{trope}} and {{work}} templates from Useful Notes pages will create too much load on the server?

Adding or removing a template doesn't create nearly as much work as editing a widely used template. It'd be like editing the ^{[citation needed]} template on Wikipedia.

Ah, okay. I see you reverted the edits, Vorticity. I won't unrevert them, but at some point, I would like to discuss applying some kind of consistent design philosophy with you, Geth, and others.

Yeah, sure I don't mind that. That's a good idea. The idea is to present a new design before pushing it out to everything.

I think this is my personal flaw in that I'm a bit more waterfally than agile. But I'd like to see some design discussion before the commits.

Just FYI, the jobs queue is still calculating changes from the edits you made to {{trope}} and {{work}}.

So I noticed. :(

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	Saw those templates you created recently. Great idea, feel free to fill in any other template voids we have with your outstanding work, and your brilliance so far is thus honored with this barnstar. :) Geth N7 - 04:22, 21 August 2014 (BST)

Seriously, upon reflection, why didn't I think of it?

However, try to include the category of the page in question (use [[Category:{{BASEPAGENAME}}]] and the "Index Index" category), so it's added to the master index of the site.

Already done for you, as you can see here:

https://allthetropes.orain.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AEsoteric_Trope_Names&action=historysubmit&diff=1048549&oldid=1048499

Why are all of the pages with "Mook" in Category:Esoteric Trope Names? Mook is a dictionary word, and I've heard it used before 2004 when TVT was started.

I personally have never heard the word "Mook" outside of the context of TV Tropes. In any case, I think "Minion" or some other synonym is more easily recognizable.

But then, that's why I'm just adding these pages to categories, instead of outright changing them myself; so we can all come to an agreement on which names are or are not clear.

I have to agree with Vorticity -- "Mook" dates back to at least 1930, although the sense in which we use it here is a bit more recent (and by no means created by TVT).

This is my main concern with the Esoteric Tropes Name category -- it's very easy for a user with a small reference pool to mistake an obscure but perfectly good English word (or a bit of industry jargon which is being appropriately used) for a neologism or unique usage coined by a troper. We need to watch these page assignments a bit more closely.

Alright, I'll remove them.

But just because it's industry jargon doesn't make it any less esoteric. Face Heel Turn may be a popular phrase among the Professional Wrestling crowd, but it's nigh incomprehensible to anyone outside of it (at least, without reading the article.) And anyway, the Face Heel Turn series of trope names are very dyslexia-unfriendly.

I don't know about that -- I've been seeing "face heel turn" and its inverse pop up in other written outlets (ones not informed by TVT or us) over the past couple years. It looks like it's mainstreaming itself without our help.

I think I'm going to need to see some examples of that.

Next time I see it, I'll post a link here.

http://tropes.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:53986

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	In acknowledgement of your efforts to provide high quality art to enhance the wiki templates, I honor your dedication and hard work with this barnstar. Geth N7 - 22:29, 30 June 2014 (BST)

Thank you kindly. :)

Thanks for discovering those pages that needed redirects and filling in the blanks :)

However, those "Main/" redirects are not needed, since that's an artifact of how PmWiki namespaces stuff, and those links need to be manually changed to what they actually redirect to into of having those wikilinks turned into redirects.

Otherwise, thanks for the hard work. :)

You've done a great job on the Tropes Mirror Wiki, and I sent you a thank you for your first edit here. :)

We are a little shorthanded staffwise, so if you want admin rights, let me know and I'll see what I can do for you, as you've done quite well on Wikia.

Will that let me rename pages? Because I see one in the Trope Workshop that needs fixing.

Also, does this version of the wiki ignore capitalization in titles?

Help! I accidentally blanked All The Tropes:Thread Mode, and I can't undo it! What's going on?!

First off, fixed that page. The history menu works the same as on Wikia, just isn't in a drop down tab (on this skin anyway), but I was able to revert the change. And it was a harmless goof, don't worry about it. :)

Second, anyone can rename or move pages. The only rights you get as administrator are the same ones you'd get on the Tropes Mirror Wiki. Also, capitalization in titles is not ignored, since both Wikia and Orain run MediaWiki (Wikia just has a really customized version with a different look and several custom made extensions).

If you still want the position, just let me know.